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It's like they've never looked at the defense Quinn wants to run, the one he had at Seattle...the LEO plays contain, he doesn't set the edge. Next they'll be saying Jalen Collins is a bad fit because he's bad at man-off zone coverage. Or maybe that Jake Rodgers isn't enough of a mauler to be a project guard. Maybe they'll talk about how Grady Jarrett isn't good against double teams.

It's a silly thing to complain about maybe, but it's annoying that people keep bringing up this concern. A lot of the time you'll watch the LEO and they barely even touch the tackle when playing contain, all they have to do is make sure the RB doesn't bounce it outside so the weak side LB/MLB and safety can clean up, depending on the gap the RB runs towards. Setting the edge usually involves actually having the DE purposefully engage the tackle and then stand his ground, that'd be stupid in general for the scheme and especially for Beasley. Ridiculous.

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It's like they've never looked at the defense Quinn wants to run, the one he had at Seattle...the LEO plays contain, he doesn't set the edge. Next they'll be saying Jalen Collins is a bad fit because he's bad at man-off zone coverage. Or maybe that Jake Rodgers isn't enough of a mauler to be a project guard. Maybe they'll talk about how Grady Jarrett isn't good against double teams.

It's a silly thing to complain about maybe, but it's annoying that people keep bringing up this concern. A lot of the time you'll watch the LEO and they barely even touch the tackle when playing contain, all they have to do is make sure the RB doesn't bounce it outside so the weak side LB/MLB and safety can clean up, depending on the gap the RB runs towards. Setting the edge usually involves actually having the DE purposefully engage the tackle and then stand his ground, that'd be stupid in general for the scheme and especially for Beasley. Ridiculous.

Well said and exactly spot on Beasley is a perfect fit for Quinn's vision. I have to admit I didn't see Coleman play but I'm getting excited over the pick

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It's like they've never looked at the defense Quinn wants to run, the one he had at Seattle...the LEO plays contain, he doesn't set the edge. Next they'll be saying Jalen Collins is a bad fit because he's bad at man-off zone coverage. Or maybe that Jake Rodgers isn't enough of a mauler to be a project guard. Maybe they'll talk about how Grady Jarrett isn't good against double teams.

It's a silly thing to complain about maybe, but it's annoying that people keep bringing up this concern. A lot of the time you'll watch the LEO and they barely even touch the tackle when playing contain, all they have to do is make sure the RB doesn't bounce it outside so the weak side LB/MLB and safety can clean up, depending on the gap the RB runs towards. Setting the edge usually involves actually having the DE purposefully engage the tackle and then stand his ground, that'd be stupid in general for the scheme and especially for Beasley. Ridiculous.

Well I tend to agree with what he is saying. Beasley will be asked to do things in this defense he never was at Clemson if he is going to be a 3 down player. You dont have to believe me here it is from someone who has played the position and would be in the know. So I can understand what he is saying and I think it is a fair grade considering none of these guys have played a down in the NFL. Beasley may be able to do all of these other things but as of right now there are questions as he has never had to do them before. Yeah I think he is right and that Beasley starts his career in the NFL as a situational pass rusher. NFL offenses usually seal the backside on run plays it is crazy to think they will just let someone with Beasley's ability run around free chase plays.

From Schofield interview here http://www.thefalcoh...sition-and-more

Versatility isn't just emphasized in Quinn's defense, it's required. Schofield was expected to be versatile and flexible immediately upon arriving in Seattle. "I was running two positions from the first day I got to Seattle, and it was just something that -- it was kind of difficult at first, but once I understood the scheme and the overall picture of what we were trying to accomplish, man, it became really easy," Schofield said. "And I think this year, I literally rushed -- or played every position on the d-line, from nose, to tackle, to three-technique, to end, you know? And the LEO backer, [and] played a little bit of SAM. So for me, I'm very, very familiar with this defense. I did a lot of studying, and it's really helped me."

The LEO linebacker is a pretty important part of the 4-3 under defense. Schofield, having played in that position some, shared his perspective on that role. "I think the LEO backer is basically a hybrid defensive end. You have to be pretty athletic as far as being able to play the six-technique pretty strong on the run," Schofield said. "It's a lot of times where, as in blitz packages, where you'll have to drop in coverage and do some coverage things, even in the nickel package, and also just be able to pull around in the pass rush, because the LEO in the nickel package does a lot of standing up rushing, rushing outside, rushing inside, drops in coverage. So you've got to kind of be the all-purpose football player to play that position."

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I think A- is fair. Beasley has a ways to go to be an every down player, and usually teams expect top 10 1st rounder to play every down from day 1. Depending on how quick he picks things up, Falcons should put him in positions to excel in at until he figures things out . I'm not worried about him doing that, more a question of when,not if. In the meantime, we have a good player in Schofield to fill that space in a way we are solid there now, so no need to rush (no pun intended) Beasley unnecessarily.

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Well, for them to say Beasley is he worst pick, will definitely fire up any Falcon fan, Because I know that Beasley will be a very good player barring injury ... that is always a concern playing pro football. Bottom line is that I believe this is the best draft not only in talent, but the best draft we have ever had... in Falcon history... No doubt in my mind at all, I don't think anything else is even close.. I'll say Beastley will have 8 sacks this year at least.

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You guys are reading to far into it.

"Worst" is a question of relativity.

Every other pick rounds 2 thru 5 netted us a talent should have gone AT LEAST a round earlier. To varying degrees, each could be considered a "steal".

7th rounders are typically projects, and coming with such little expectation, cannot fairly be considered the "worst" selection,

Which leaves Beasley, the only guy who went a smudge before his value on most "big boards".

No big deal

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Well I tend to agree with what he is saying. Beasley will be asked to do things in this defense he never was at Clemson yadayada

*insert one quote I post in every thread to prove my opinion*

I've seen that. Several times. You post it constantly. Beasley can do all of that. He rushes the passer standing up, from 3 point, 4 point. He drops in coverage and he's actually pretty dang good at it, his hips are phenomenal. All that six-technique really means is that you line up on the outside shoulder of the tackle, or heads up on the tight end. In the 4-3 Under, assuming he's on the RE side, he'll be doing a lot of that as well as nine technique (ie 9 wide), which is part of why he's saying it's a hybrid. That doesn't change anything in regards to him playing contain against the run. He can play contain. He constantly does, it's incredibly rare that a RB bounces it outside on him, his size is not an issue there.

I've seen people post plays to try and say Beasley is bad against the run when he forces a run inside, it's like they don't know what he's supposed to be doing at all. He'll bolt up field, set contain and the RB bounces it inside and gets tackled by the LB for a 3 yard gain, and people say it was bad on his part because he was "taken out of the play." No, he wasn't taken out of the play, he's playing contain.

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Here's a play where he loses contain. If he had been disciplined the RB wouldn't have gotten outside, but he tried to shoot inside. This kind of play from him is rare and is absolutely unrelated to his physical attributes like size and strength, which are often cited as the reasons for his issues against the run.

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Here, the very next play, he plays the run perfectly. He maintains contain and the RB is forced inside. The play results in a huge gain because Stephone Anthony messes up. He's responsible for two gaps, and he chooses the wrong one. The center takes him out of the play with a cut block. It's slightly forgivable, but the next one is not. #7 also makes an error by overpursuing his gap responsibility, moving way too far past Beasley's outside shoulder despite the fact that he's already maintained contain and forced the RB inside. The result is #7 tackles him well past where he should have.

And yet, people use plays like that as "evidence" of Beasley being bad against the run, when he's actually very good at remaining disciplined in that facet. It's complete horsecrap. If we were trying to play Beasley as the strong side defensive end in a standard 4-3 I'd understand, but that's not the case.

There's a reason when Quinn was asked if he was worried about Beasley against the run, he looked at Ledbetter like he was a total buffoon and said no, then went on to talk about how they focus on what players can do, not what they can't do. Beasley is not an elite edge setter, he does not have the length or the weight to be that. He is very good at maintaining contain, which is usually the LEO's responsibility. Simple.

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If Beasley was the worst pick yet they still gave an A- grade, I'd say it was a success in their eyes. It's up to Beasley to better himself and prove the doubters wrong. Chuck Smith his biggest flaw right now is inexperience. His speed will help him tremendously.

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I've seen that. Several times. You post it constantly. Beasley can do all of that. He rushes outside, he rushes inside. He drops in coverage and he's actually pretty dang good at it, his hips are phenomenal. All that six-technique really means is that you line up on the outside shoulder of the tackle, or heads up on the tight end. In the 4-3 Under, assuming he's on the RE side, he'll be doing a lot of that as well as nine technique (ie 9 wide), which is part of why he's saying it's a hybrid. That doesn't change anything in regards to him playing contain against the run. He can play contain. He constantly does, it's incredibly rare that a RB bounces it outside on him, his size is not an issue there.

I've seen people post plays to try and say Beasley is bad against the run when he forces a run inside, it's like they don't know what he's supposed to be doing at all. He'll bolt up field, set contain and the RB bounces it inside and gets tackled by the LB for a 3 yard gain, and people say it was bad on his part because he was "taken out of the play." No, he wasn't taken out of the play, he's playing contain.

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Here's a play where he loses contain. If he had been disciplined the RB wouldn't have gotten outside, but he tried to shoot inside. This kind of play from him is rare and is absolutely unrelated to his physical attributes like size and strength, which are often cited as the reasons for his issues against the run.

QuickGloomyBluebreastedkookaburra.gif

Here, the very next play, he plays the run perfectly. He maintains contain and the RB is forced inside. The play results in a huge gain because Stephone Anthony messes up. He's responsible for two gaps, and he chooses the wrong one. The center takes him out of the play with a cut block. It's slightly forgivable, but the next one is not. #7 also makes an error by overpursuing his gap responsibility, moving way too far past Beasley's outside shoulder despite the fact that he's already maintained contain and forced the RB inside. The result is #7 tackles him well past where he should have.

And yet, people use plays like that as "evidence" of Beasley being bad against the run, when he's actually very good at remaining disciplined in that facet. It's complete horsecrap. If we were trying to play Beasley as the strong side defensive end in a standard 4-3 I'd understand, but that's not remotely the case.

There's a reason when Quinn was asked if he was worried about Beasley against the run, he looked at Ledbetter like he was a total buffoon and said no, then went on to talk about how they focus on what players can do, not what they can't do. Beasley is not an elite edge setter, he does not have the length or the weight to be that. He is very good at maintaining contain, which is usually the LEO's responsibility. Simple.

Actually I think that 2nd play went there by design because that is where the hole opened. It was just a good offensive play. Beasley comes up field that is what he does that is not all he will be asked to do here. He will be asked to set the edge to maintain the PoA if you think that any defense does not need these things out of players then it is the end of discussion. Beasley will have to learn to do them. Yes I keep posting the same article because some people keep making the same crazy statements.

Both of those plays worked well because the RB read those blocks correctly and knew where the lane should be. That is called vision. Notice both plays were run the Beasleys side. Not that I think he can not and will not improve but he comes in to the NFL as a pass rusher with some work to do. If rushing the QB was not his main thing both of those plays would have been a bit more difficult for UGA. In the 1st play you will notice that he bit on some misdirection if you see how the Oline moved at the snap compared to the 2nd play. Really not that I think Clemson played horrible defense but UGA just really ran those plays well.

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You guys are reading to far into it.

"Worst" is a question of relativity.

Every other pick rounds 2 thru 5 netted us a talent should have gone AT LEAST a round earlier. To varying degrees, each could be considered a "steal".

7th rounders are typically projects, and coming with such little expectation, cannot fairly be considered the "worst" selection,

Which leaves Beasley, the only guy who went a smudge before his value on most "big boards".

No big deal

Thank you ,, well said,, But people need to remember how strong this class is.. And to go 8 in the strongest draft that we've seen, I think more highly of this pick than most evalorators do.. He was exactly who we needed.. I believe this is the best draft I've ever seen.. So it was awesome we had a high pick ... Just seem to fall exactly right for us.. I believe we will win 10 games this year and go deep into to playoffs.. Not just throwing words around.

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