Capitalist Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Maybe I haven't read enough... Maybe a guru can clarify...But why draft a scrub who may not make roster instead of locking down Collins?Risk vs. Reward seems plain to see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 oh look, this debate again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ask the 31 other teams why they drafted scrubs over Collins.Honestly if you didn't know, if anyone drafted him he was just going to enter the 2016 Draft. So no one drafted him and now he's being forced to be a UDFA since he can't enter next year's draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 "locking down" is a very loose term. He is not required to sign anything if we would have drafted him and he would have had a free pass in to the 2016 draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalist Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ask the 31 other teams why they drafted scrubs over Collins.Honestly if you didn't know, if anyone drafted him he was just going to enter the 2016 Draft. So no one drafted him and now he's being forced to be a UDFA since he can't enter next year's draft. Thanks for indulging me... So he would have sat out a year instead of playing if he was drafted?So now we have a FA style bidding war if he is cleared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Thanks for indulging me... So he would have sat out a year instead of playing if he was drafted?So now we have a FA style bidding war if he is cleared?if he entered the draft next year, he would probably go top 2 rounds and make 5-10x the money over playing for peanuts as a 7th rounder. So yes.All teams have a limited cap for UDFA's, basically we can all pay him the same thing, so he can pick where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five_Fifs Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Even if he were drafted and chose to sit out, he wouldn't have been able to re-enter the 2016 draft.Yes, he made the "threat", but the NFL shot down that possibility. Edited May 5, 2015 by Five_Fifs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobeit Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Thanks for indulging me... So he would have sat out a year instead of playing if he was drafted?So now we have a FA style bidding war if he is cleared?Yes now he can enter the league as a FA but it seriously limits his income but he is free to renegotiate his deal after 2 years. Tragic what happened to that girl I sure hope he had no part in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDogg1215 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 "locking down" is a very loose term. He is not required to sign anything if we would have drafted him and he would have had a free pass in to the 2016 draftNo free pass to 2016 Draft . He was told he would be a undfrafted rookie free agent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*TMo* Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Does La'el Collins work in the outside zone blocking philosophy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Does La'el Collins work in the outside zone blocking philosophy?STRENGTHS: Collins sports a thick, powerful frame that makes him about as difficult to move as a chest freezer. His frame belies his quick feet, an attribute that when combined with his long arms, impressive strength and aggression make him a devastating run blocker. Collins is often the quickest of LSU's offensive linemen off the snap and he routinely drives his assignment off the line of scrimmage with pure power, creating easy running lanes for LSU's backs. He's surprisingly quick to the second level and has good body control to adjust to moving targets. As a pass blocker, Collins shows good initial quickness in his kick-slide and uses his long reach to maintain the arc. When he gets his hands on opponents and remains square, it is generally lights out for the defender. Collins showed his willingness to potentially convert inside, impressing on a few snaps at left guard at the Senior Bowl. WEAKNESSES: Collins left Chicago shortly before the draft to address an off-field issue in which police wanted to speak to him regarding the shooting death of a 29-year-old pregnant woman. He was not considered a suspect, but the timing of the issue left his draft stock in limbo. He does not possess elite balance and can be challenged by speed-rushers. He'll over-compensate occasionally and leave the inside open for counters. Collins' aggression is admirable but also leads to mistakes. Rather than patiently waiting for defenders to come to him, Collins will occasionally lunge, making himself top-heavy and prone to slipping down the body of his opponent. This can lead to his hands getting too low or slipping onto the side and/or back of defenders, which invites them to swim over the top of him to disengage. COMPARISON TO: James Carpenter, Jets: Collins is a better athlete than Carpenter and therefore may be likelier to remain outside than Alabama's former tackle, who has since become a mauling run blocker at left guard with the Seahawks. --Rob Rang PLAYER OVERVIEW There are two basic truths evaluators have grown used to when scouting LSU - for one, the team will be loaded with talent. Second, the talent is so rich so that the best players rarely use all of their collegiate eligibility before leaving for the NFL. Unlike many of his former teammates, Collins elected to return for his senior season despite the fact that he reportedly earned a first round grade from the NFL Advisory Committee. Collins certainly did nothing to harm that grade in 2014, putting forth yet another dominant campaign at left tackle for the Tigers and following that up with a strong performance at the Senior Bowl. Collins earned immediate playing time for the Tigers as a true freshman, playing in seven games at left guard. He took over the starting position a year later, leading the team in total snaps (846) and knockdown blocks (64.5) while earning Honorable Mention honors from the AP. Collins made the switch to left tackle as a junior, earning second-team All-SEC accolades from league coaches and posting another 65 knockdown blocks despite missing one game (Furman) due to injury. Collins possesses a square-ish build that makes him appear better suited to guard. His combination of surprisingly light feet, bullish power and competitiveness could earn him Pro Bowl nods. He's quick enough to remain at tackle for power-running teams, which only makes Collins that much more valuable in the eyes of scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 From what I've read, if La'el was drafted in day 3 he would have refused to sign. Being drafted and not signing would possibly have made him eligible to be redrafted next season. Remember Bo Jackson was drafted by Tampa, refused to go, then was redrafted by the Raiders. I'm not sure if it still works that way, but from what I have lazily read, that was their approach. He preferred to be a UDFA because he could get a new conrtract sooner and make more guaranteed money as FA. He still lost $3 million, easy. Sucks for him if he's innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This is a situation where personal relationships and management of the "culture-based" approach should have been used. To the greatest extent that you are able, you talk to the young man and his representation about what you want to do for him and how you want him on your team. Try to tether him to your team with diplomacy. Then, take him at 7.32 and hope you did enough to convince him to stick with your team. If not? Oh well. At least that way, you're limiting the ability of other teams to obtain underpriced assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 No team was going to touch a player who may have murdered his pregnant ex-girlfriend until he was completely exonerated by the police. Not even with a 7th round pick.Like others have said, if he's innocent, that really sucks for him. Not only does his ex get killed, which is tragic enough as it is, but he loses millions of dollars because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 No team was going to touch a player who may have murdered his pregnant ex-girlfriend until he was completely exonerated by the police. Not even with a 7th round pick.Like others have said, if he's innocent, that really sucks for him. Not only does his ex get killed, which is tragic enough as it is, but he loses millions of dollars because of it.I think that is/was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I think that is/was a mistake. Oh, not saying I agree... that's just the way it was. I definitely would have used our second 7th round pick on him if I had been in the draft room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalist Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Oh, not saying I agree... that's just the way it was. I definitely would have used our second 7th round pick on him if I had been in the draft room.Evidently a few teams considered this... Calling the agent's bluff would have little downside... At worse, you waste a pick...Wish he would have been cleared by Draft Day 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If we drafted him in the 7th he would not have signed and he would have been eligible for the 2016 draft. It would have been a wasted pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Maybe I haven't read enough... Maybe a guru can clarify...But why draft a scrub who may not make roster instead of locking down Collins?Risk vs. Reward seems plain to see...Hmmmm..... I don't know.... Could be the fact that he said he wouldn't sign with ANYONE that drafted him beyond the 3rd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If we drafted him in the 7th he would not have signed and he would have been eligible for the 2016 draft. It would have been a wasted pick.Maybe. Maybe not. You manage the situation.And even IF it was a wasted pick, it prevents any of the teams you're competing with from getting a Top 10 talent for near zero cost.That's as good a use of late 7th as I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Tony G. Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Akeem the Dream > La'fail Collins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ask the 31 other teams why they drafted scrubs over Collins.Honestly if you didn't know, if anyone drafted him he was just going to enter the 2016 Draft. So no one drafted him and now he's being forced to be a UDFA since he can't enter next year's draft. He can't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyinglobster Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Not really a comforting thought, but perhaps everyone agreed not to draft him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Maybe I haven't read enough... Maybe a guru can clarify...But why draft a scrub who may not make roster instead of locking down Collins?Risk vs. Reward seems plain to see...You going to lock down a man who might be locked up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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