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Really Like The Draft, But Would Like Some Guru Help On Collins Over Rowe


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I didn't scout these guys at all (corners this year) so I'd like to get the take of the gurus.

From what I did know, Rowe looked a more versatile, slightly more athletic, less "troubled" Collins.

What part am I missing?

What specific thing would make you take Collins over Rowe (Same height, weight, Rowe slightly faster, slightly better turn drills, more starting experience, positional versatility).

Not nitpicking, as I really like the draft, but had trouble understanding this pick. Would make a ton of sense if they picked a 6'1 corner over a 5'9 corner who was rated higher...but these guys seem like they'd both be the same "type."

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I'm interested to learn more about Collins, too. I've been looking at as many full games of his I can find online. One thing is clear: he has #1 corner potential and if that comes to fruition our D is going to look real good with 2 #1 corners in Tru and Collins, with Beasley, Hags, and Jarrett all rushing the passer

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Collins had a higher draft grade, so it wasn't just the Falcons that thought he was the better of the two prospects. But Quinn specifically wants corners who are long and physical, and Collins has the edge in both departments.

FWIW, Greg Cosell likens him to Richard Sherman. Not that he'll be as good as Sherman in year 1, but that he has those traits that make Sherman so dominant.

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Pro scouts and personnel guys see huge potential upside with Collins. Multiple articles I've read say that he has all the quick twitch, size, length and measurables to translate into possibly being the best corner taken in the 2015 draft. It's his future potential that separates him!

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The Seahawks have never really been big on versatility on defense. They have their scheme and they target players that have specific traits that can fill certain roles in that scheme. I find it safe to assume that Quinn has brought that philosophy with him and that is why they drafted Collins instead of others. He is physically the type of CB the scheme likes and, I presume, they think he has more upside than other CB prospects.

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At the moment, I cannot answer your question as I never watched much of Rowe and so far I've only watched Collins against Alabama.

Based on the Alabama game, Collins could possibly become a phenomenal deep ball defender. I know that Quinn sees Collins as a long, press, man corner who is also good in run support.

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Pro scouts and personnel guys see huge potential upside with Collins. Multiple articles I've read say that he has all the quick twitch, size, length and measurables to translate into possibly being the best corner taken in the 2015 draft. It's his future potential that separates him!

His problems are from the neck up, including an almost complete lack of experience.

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I'm more comfortable drafting guys with big metrics now that Raheem Morris will be developing them in the secondary and DQ along the line. LB coach is also an accomplished talent developer.

I'm ok with it too.

It's more that Rowe is the same length, and faster, and had better quick twitch drills. So it's not like he was an inferior physical prospect. So there must be something Collins does much better (to compensate for lack of experience and drug concerns)...I just don't know what that is.

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He's much more physical than Rowe, not just talking about run support. He has absolutely phenomenal instincts and somehow got by without almost any technique in college. Everyone talks about the game Amari Cooper had on him, but he only allowed Cooper 4 catches for something like 40-50 yards. Gets beat on slants a lot but that's the thing...he's always playing the outside, not the inside. That's like, super basic stuff, but I feel like LSU didn't give enough of a crap to coach it out of him. It's a trending theme with LSU, just letting their defense get by on athletic potential. It's why they constantly have defensive starters go on to do well in the NFL and yet their defense is a perennial embarrassment to the SEC.

I did have Rowe rated the same as him (3a and 3b on my list of corners) but I give Rowe the edge for his ability to also play FS. Think that Collins has a higher ceiling as a CB though. Rowe would make a terrific FS, the way he reads QBs is uncanny.

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He's much more physical than Rowe, not just talking about run support. He has absolutely phenomenal instincts and somehow got by without almost any technique in college. Everyone talks about the game Amari Cooper had on him, but he only allowed Cooper 4 catches for something like 40-50 yards. Gets beat on slants a lot but that's the thing...he's always playing the outside, not the inside. That's like, super basic stuff, but I feel like LSU didn't give enough of a crap to coach it out of him. It's a trending theme with LSU, just letting their defense get by on athletic potential. It's why they constantly have defensive starters go on to do well in the NFL and yet their defense is a perennial embarrassment to the SEC.

I did have Rowe rated the same as him (3a and 3b on my list of corners) but I give Rowe the edge for his ability to also play FS. Think that Collins has a higher ceiling as a CB though. Rowe would make a terrific FS, the way he reads QBs is uncanny.

I noticed that as well. Great analysis as always, Moore!

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In addition to the speed and length that they both possess, Quinn's cbs need to be physical and read the WR. I think they believe Collins is a perfect fit with his instincts and physicality. They must love him to overlook the lack of experience, failed tests, and overall rawness.

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reminds me of when people were complaining that we took Trufant over Xavier Rhodes and Jonathan Banks. Armchair gms never learn. I sometimes don't agree when we draft a certain position over another, but when we draft a player over another player of the same position theres a reason.

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When Quinn talked about him in his interview on ESPN yesterday, he said more than once he's a guy that can play on the outside and set the edge, and help in the run game. That has been a theme this offseason, we have brought in several guys who will set the edge for us and make this a physical defense.

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The Seahawks have never really been big on versatility on defense. They have their scheme and they target players that have specific traits that can fill certain roles in that scheme. I find it safe to assume that Quinn has brought that philosophy with him and that is why they drafted Collins instead of others. He is physically the type of CB the scheme likes and, I presume, they think he has more upside than other CB prospects.

This.

Rowe's versatility didn't matter. We drafted a CB to play CB. It doesn't matter if a guy can play all 11 positions when you can only play one at a time. Versatility is for backups/rotation players. Specialization is for starters.

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reminds me of when people were complaining that we took Trufant over Xavier Rhodes and Jonathan Banks. Armchair gms never learn. I sometimes don't agree when we draft a certain position over another, but when we draft a player over another player of the same position theres a reason.

Who's complaining? A lot of people on here scout guys pretty thoroughly. I didn't this year.

I can often explain why you'd take one guy over another, because all players have different traits. I just don't know enough about these guys to know why we took the one with less experience/additional drug problems.

I'm literally asking for feedback, not saying it makes no sense. I don't have enough info to say it makes no sense.

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He's much more physical than Rowe, not just talking about run support. He has absolutely phenomenal instincts and somehow got by without almost any technique in college. Everyone talks about the game Amari Cooper had on him, but he only allowed Cooper 4 catches for something like 40-50 yards. Gets beat on slants a lot but that's the thing...he's always playing the outside, not the inside. That's like, super basic stuff, but I feel like LSU didn't give enough of a crap to coach it out of him. It's a trending theme with LSU, just letting their defense get by on athletic potential. It's why they constantly have defensive starters go on to do well in the NFL and yet their defense is a perennial embarrassment to the SEC.

I did have Rowe rated the same as him (3a and 3b on my list of corners) but I give Rowe the edge for his ability to also play FS. Think that Collins has a higher ceiling as a CB though. Rowe would make a terrific FS, the way he reads QBs is uncanny.

Thanks for the feedback. Physicality would be a very relevant one in the type of scheme Quinn wants to run. The length for press corner means nothing if you can't execute on the press. Does he have heavy hands?

And have you noticed if he's good in the air? On these tall guys, it makes such a radical difference if they can be guys who can elevate and pluck the ball. It makes the window very very small if they're tall, and you're concerned about an INT. Their guy has to get open by yards to be considered open.

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This.

Rowe's versatility didn't matter. We drafted a CB to play CB. It doesn't matter if a guy can play all 11 positions when you can only play one at a time. Versatility is for backups/rotation players. Specialization is for starters.

I can not "like" this and the post you quoted enough for it's basic truth!! Just letting the complete correctness of this sink in is getting me all jacked up to watch this team this year!!!

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