Anyone Notice Td Saying He Was Glad To Finally See A Pass Rusher

[FalconFanSince1970]

Notice TD essentially saying it was great for him personally to be able to go get an edge rusher?

I'm not really one to buy that Smith was all the problem and Dimi none of it.

I was, however, a bit surprised by TD's statement in the presser. Sounded like he wanted a pass rusher for awhile.

Who knows. Regardless, I'm glad we have guys here now who understand the importance of pressure and penetration.

However we got here...great.

He was the GM of the Atlanta Falcons with responsibility and accountability for the roster. Regardless of whether they were his picks or if he got puppeted by Smitty. There are only three coaches with roster autonomy. Bill Bilichek, Pete Carrol and Chip Kelly. That's it. The other 29 GMs are responsible for the roster. Was Dimi responsible?

[MilleniumFalcon]

Abe had too much going on. I'm sure it wasn't football related.

Yup with all the alcohol stuff.

[madman88]

Man stop.. TD said he personally wanted to beef up the pffense and has been doing so since 2011..

cnt do both guys, he chose to take offense with high rd picks.

[madman88]

He was the GM of the Atlanta Falcons with responsibility and accountability for the roster. Regardless of whether they were his picks or if he got puppeted by Smitty. There are only three coaches with roster autonomy. Bill Bilichek, Pete Carrol and Chip Kelly. That's it. The other 29 GMs are responsible for the roster. Was Dimi responsible?

ppl dnt realize this..

They think smitty said i want this guy and got that guy smh...

TD is very much responsible for every pick, including the slew of late rd picks that necer panned out.

[takeitdown]

Man stop.. TD said he personally wanted to beef up the pffense and has been doing so since 2011..

cnt do both guys, he chose to take offense with high rd picks.

18 of last 22 picks have been defense.

[takeitdown]

He was the GM of the Atlanta Falcons with responsibility and accountability for the roster. Regardless of whether they were his picks or if he got puppeted by Smitty. There are only three coaches with roster autonomy. Bill Bilichek, Pete Carrol and Chip Kelly. That's it. The other 29 GMs are responsible for the roster. Was Dimi responsible?

I agree with a large part of that. If Dimi deferred that much, I sort of have a problem with it.

As I said in the post, I just always thought that narrative was sort of BS. It seems Dimi has wanted pass rusher though. And it's pretty clear Nolan thought hogs would free up his scheme.

Regardless, glad the coach and GM have come to the conclusion we need pass rush. If they also conclude we need a running game, and multiple good receivers instead of 1 or 2 great ones...we'll have a damned fine team.

[FenixFalcon]

I've just seen him do similar things before. I feel like he's the type of guy that makes other people think his ideas are actually theirs lol

I knew Inception was real...

[Nono]

Notice TD essentially saying it was great for him personally to be able to go get an edge rusher?

I'm not really one to buy that Smith was all the problem and Dimi none of it.

I was, however, a bit surprised by TD's statement in the presser. Sounded like he wanted a pass rusher for awhile.

Who knows. Regardless, I'm glad we have guys here now who understand the importance of pressure and penetration.

However we got here...great.

TD is a jellyfish w/ no spine

He was as much to blame or more maybe more and he keeps dumping on Smitty

We remember real well TD, keep running your mouth

[dmo_dlo]

That's not how I understood his comment. I thought he meant that he's happy that they finally had a pas rusher they liked on the board when they were picking. It is well documented that TD wanted to trade up for Graham and Dee Ford but couldn't.

[Duff_Man]

I guess Smith forced him to cut Abe too.

Abe forced that. He was not in good shape personally.

[chris30277]

Has anyone ever read "War Room: The Legacy of Bill Belichick and the Art of Building the Perfect Team"? There are chapters in there on TD's Time with the Falcons and Pioli's time with the Chiefs. The year that Justin Houston came out TD called Pioli directly and gave him crap for taking him because we really wanted him. I think we were trying to trade up for him.

I know there were reports of us trying to trade up last year to snag Dee Ford. Bottom line I think we have tried to get a pass rusher for a while but I think we have constantly reached on the guys we have ended up taking.

The Houston story is similar, to Gregory. Houston also tested positive at his combine then didn't come off the board until #70 overall. I'd be happy with Gregory in round 2, but if he continued to fall and we could get an impact starter at OG or FS in round 2, then come back around and steal Gregory in round 3 (or trade up)... This team would get an A+ in my book

[JDaveG]

That's not how I understood his comment. I thought he meant that he's happy that they finally had a pas rusher they liked on the board when they were picking. It is well documented that TD wanted to trade up for Graham and Dee Ford but couldn't.

I don't think so and here's why -- he specifically followed that comment up by saying something about "Dan's approach to defense." It was a shot at Smitty.

Whether that's fair or not, well, I'd like to hear Smitty's side of it, I'll say that. It could all be Smitty and Nolan's fault, but Dimitroff needs to quit talking about it. It's pretty cheap at this point, honestly. It comes across as immature.

[Culain_04]

Unless i misunderstood Quinn could have come in and let TD go, but didn't.

Unless i misunderstood Blank could have let TD go when MS was fired but didn't.

Unless I misunderstood Blank sat in on the meeting that MS and MN wanted Beef in the middle and TD wanted to go pass rusher, but deferred to what MS wanted.

It seems to me that if TD were as bad as the football super genius's on the MB believe he is, wouldn't the man who has BILLIONS invested in this team or the man who just invested his future in this team shown him out the door? Either could have but neither did. WHY

Whether you like TD or not that is your emotional problem not his. He is the GM, DQ is the HC pull your heads out of your arses, stop whining like teenage girls and enjoy the draft and next season

[atljbo]

I know ppl dont want to hear it but

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/01/nfl-draft-first-round-analysis/

8. Falcons: Vic Beasley, DE, Clemson

The Falcons have needed a pass rusher for years. The previous regime under Mike Smith and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan believed that pressure could be manufactured through scheme. New head coach Dan Quinn, hailing from the simplistic Seahawks system, feels differently. Ostensibly, Beasley was the top available pass rusher left on Atlanta’s board.

Needed next: With the system change, there are several needs across a defense that ranked dead last in yards allowed last season. But don’t be surprised if the Falcons dip into this draft’s deep pool of wide receivers. Father Time has chased down Roddy White, and defenders won’t have trouble doing the same this season. Without a strong complementary wide receiver, the Falcons can’t get their money’s worth out of Julio Jones.

Yea Nolan and Smitty felt they could create a rush if we get teams in 3rd and longs

[Mr. Hoopah!]

Hard to be a liability against the run when he's standing on the sideline.

You're just full of sunshine and rainbows. Sorry your boy Gurley is a Ram.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

I know ppl dont want to hear it but

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/01/nfl-draft-first-round-analysis/

Yea Nolan and Smitty felt they could create a rush if we get teams in 3rd and longs

People refuse to believe it, they think TD and Blank made it up.

If they were lying, you'd think Smith and/or Nolan would set the record straight.

[Robb4242]

So Smitty instigated moving up for Baker, Julio and Tru?

You can justify Baker in the 1st draft because we had to have a LT and the run on them meant trade up or be left out. Almost had to be done regardless.

Julio was all from the owner, if your boss says get one of the top 2 WRs at any cost, then that's what you're doing as a GM.

Tru, just curious if you're saying that was a bad pick/move?

[thanat0s]

Unless i misunderstood Quinn could have come in and let TD go, but didn't.

Unless i misunderstood Blank could have let TD go when MS was fired but didn't.

Unless I misunderstood Blank sat in on the meeting that MS and MN wanted Beef in the middle and TD wanted to go pass rusher, but deferred to what MS wanted.

It seems to me that if TD were as bad as the football super genius's on the MB believe he is, wouldn't the man who has BILLIONS invested in this team or the man who just invested his future in this team shown him out the door? Either could have but neither did. WHY

Whether you like TD or not that is your emotional problem not his. He is the GM, DQ is the HC pull your heads out of your arses, stop whining like teenage girls and enjoy the draft and next season

I'll tell you why. Arthur Blank has an agenda where on field success isn't his number one priority. He has surrounded himself with people who carry out that agenda. They'll do it without question. That's why he hasn't been fired and isn't going anywhere.

That's also why Blank allows that weasel to lie about coach Smith. It's misdirection, meant to have the paying public focused on this kind of thing, while his true goals are being carried out in the background.

He loves that guy. I have no doubt.

[Falcon Ben]

ppl dnt realize this..

They think smitty said i want this guy and got that guy smh...

TD is very much responsible for every pick, including the slew of late rd picks that necer panned out.

You people make me giggle.

You truly have no clue. I am not even going to argue with you anymore.

Think what you want.

[thanat0s]

You can justify Baker in the 1st draft because we had to have a LT and the run on them meant trade up or be left out. Almost had to be done regardless.

Julio was all from the owner, if your boss says get one of the top 2 WRs at any cost, then that's what you're doing as a GM.

Tru, just curious if you're saying that was a bad pick/move?

I can answerthis Robb...

First, totally agree on Baker. It was a a necessary move.

As for the failures, it's actually a snowball effect, though I'll just discuss first round failures...

2009, they drafted at best a second round talent at DT and let Clay Matthews, who miraculously slipped, go to Green Bay two picks later. A player who isn't even in the league anymore.

In 2010, they let a top five player pass (at a position of need if you are a need drafter) in Dez Bryant, and took a linebacker who was ok in college, but had no skills one couldn't get in lower rounds. A player they thought so little of, they didn't bother keeping him last month.

Flash to 2011. After blowing it by passing on Dez Bryant, they then compound that mistake by having to make a desperate trade up for Julio Jones. He's a top player, but he shouldn't have been a Falcon. Their incompetence created the need.

2012, we have no pick (2010 just never stops giving). The three guys taken immediately after Cleveland took Weeden were Reiff, DeCastro, and Hightower. We needed any one of those guys. Yet another hole is created.

2013 I have to look out of the first round and in free agency. I didn't mind the trade up. Trufant was a great prospect. The failure was letting Grimes go in free agency, creating a second hole at CB that resulted in a double dip reach for Alford. It also was a major contributor to our team's slide. We could've had a solid set of DBs, but Grimes wasn't worth the 5 mil he got from Miami.

The failures in free agency are particularly egregious, where they have all but ignored pass rush for years when there were excellent options available.

They are either complicit in dismantling the team, or they're incompetent. Either way, they specifically created the world we've had to live in.

[insight]

You can justify Baker in the 1st draft because we had to have a LT and the run on them meant trade up or be left out. Almost had to be done regardless.

Julio was all from the owner, if your boss says get one of the top 2 WRs at any cost, then that's what you're doing as a GM.

Tru, just curious if you're saying that was a bad pick/move?

I understand there was a run on tackles, but he ultimately reached and spent allot to do it.

It would be one thing if Baker solidified the position but he hasn't. You end up losing next years 2nd round pick and a 4th on a player who ultimately did not work out. To make matters worst Baker is awarded a huge contract for unknown reason we are forced to draft Jake M in order to find a long term solution.

The move may appear justified but the consequences have crippled the teams ability to address other postions of need.

If Julio was the exception to the rule then it's impact wouldn't be as significant. In 7 years TD had traded up in at least 4 or 5 drafts. You combine that with losing key players like Lofton, Abe, Grimes, Dalh, Mcclure, TG, without bringing replacements through free agency you are left with low round draft picks to fill blue chip starter positions.

I love Tru as a player but TD spent 4 picks to get two CB's. Either Rhodes or Tru would have been available if you stayed where you were but he traded up which took getting another good pass rusher, olineman or running back off the table.

When you let Grimes, Chris Owens, Dunta and Abe walk in the same off season you simply can't trade away half the draft for two corners.

What is the most insulting fact is TD bragging last season about the roster being the best assembly of talent we have had during the Smitty era.

If that's not delusional I don't know what is.

Edited May 1, 2015 by insight

[FalconFanSince1969]

This thread is just sad.

Arthur Blank has hidden agendas to take over the world even though he's pushing 80

TD is some kind of evil mastermind swindler carrying out Arthurs wishes.

Turn off the TV, jesus.

[Dyinglobster]

TD and Dan Quinn have looked great together. I think keeping TD was the right move from the get go. Why? It sends a message to the players and the organization: we are building something. To fire TD and the FO would be admitting that his whole tenure and everyone involved has failed which simply isn't true. Did things unravel? Yes. But it allowed Dan Quinn to come in and uplift everyone and do what he does best -- bring out the best in his peers and players. Sure you could've fired TD and still hired Dan Quinn with a new GM, but the atmosphere wouldn't be the same. Dan Quinn wouldn't necessarily be able to have the same impact.

[Bring It]

Why the surprise ?

Smitty's mantra was.........Pass Rush is over rated. He never saw the value in it, consequently the Falcons were patsies......with a ZERO pass rush.

3rd and 17 ? No problem Mr. Brees, fix yourself a sandwich, sit back, and wait 18 seconds for any receiver you choose.

Well......there's a new Sheriff in town boys.

Hello Pass Rush.......Hello Mr. BeezLee.

[Guest Gritz]

Just my two cents:

Smith may have very well been an advocate for pursuing DTs who could crush the interior O-line and let your run-of-the-mill DEs clean up the spillover...HOWEVER, I have found it pretty distasteful and yet at the same time telling that Dimitroff has taken every chance he can to distance himself from Smith.

I don't like Dimitroff. I think he would throw his own mom under a bus if it would guarantee him one more week as the GM for the Falcons.