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He's tailor made for the Leo spot. Just let him pin his ears back and take advantage of his fantastic speed rush.

So we are just going to have him pass rush 100 percent of the time? Teams do run the ball, and Right now initially I don't see him holding if he is always on the line.

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So we are just going to have him pass rush 100 percent of the time? Teams do run the ball, and Right now initially I don't see him holding if he is always on the line.

Quinn mixes it up sometimes but generally, yes, in that type of defense there is one player whose sole job is to rush the passer.

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So we are just going to have him pass rush 100 percent of the time? Teams do run the ball, and Right now initially I don't see him holding if he is always on the line.

Demarcus Ware rushed 85-90% of the time several seasons. Just saying.

And his problem with the run game is more his leverage and hand placement, which for all intents and purposes Quinn is apparently great at teaching. He has the strength. Length is the only weakness he can't improve upon.

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So we are just going to have him pass rush 100 percent of the time? Teams do run the ball, and Right now initially I don't see him holding if he is always on the line.

I mean maybe it's just me but I have no problem with a coach telling a player your one and only job is to hit the ******* QB.

The 4-3 under is designed to stop the run and funnel RB's to the Sam so....

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Demarcus Ware rushed 85-90% of the time several seasons. Just saying.

And his problem with the run game is more his leverage and hand placement, which for all intents and purposes Quinn is apparently great at teaching. He has the strength. Length is the only weakness he can't improve upon.

No, his problem is he took plays off on the running plays.
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Quinn mixes it up sometimes but generally, yes, in that type of defense there is one player whose sole job is to rush the passer.

Not true a LEO does not even rush 100% of the time on 3rd down.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/3/20/8260979/obrien-schofield-on-dan-quinn-the-leo-position-and-more

When Dan Quinn -- or DQ, as Schofield calls him -- is the coach, playing selflessly and being versatile are emphasized. Schofield said that the bonding, the chemistry and understanding how the other players play will be the biggest factor in their success this season. It worked for Quinn's Seattle unit. "I can definitely tell you in Seattle, there was a point where everyone was trying to rack up these stats and go out and get sacks, but it wasn't until we understood that we need everyone for the pass rush -- you know, you have to rush as a unit," Schofield said.

"You have to rush in unison, and when you're able to do that, I mean, you're able to create so much pressure that it gets to the point it doesn't matter who gets the sack, you know? Because we all celebrate. We all have success when someone gets a sack," Schofield said. "So if we're able to get that mindset, and it doesn't matter who gets the sack, but it's more that we're all working together and we're all putting pressure on the quarterback, and whoever gets there, gets there. You know? And you have to be selfless like that to be on a great defense, because everyone's not going to get the big stats."

Versatility isn't just emphasized in Quinn's defense, it's required. Schofield was expected to be versatile and flexible immediately upon arriving in Seattle. "I was running two positions from the first day I got to Seattle, and it was just something that -- it was kind of difficult at first, but once I understood the scheme and the overall picture of what we were trying to accomplish, man, it became really easy," Schofield said. "And I think this year, I literally rushed -- or played every position on the d-line, from nose, to tackle, to three-technique, to end, you know? And the LEO backer, [and] played a little bit of SAM. So for me, I'm very, very familiar with this defense. I did a lot of studying, and it's really helped me."

The LEO linebacker is a pretty important part of the 4-3 under defense. Schofield, having played in that position some, shared his perspective on that role. "I think the LEO backer is basically a hybrid defensive end. You have to be pretty athletic as far as being able to play the six-technique pretty strong on the run," Schofield said. "It's a lot of times where, as in blitz packages, where you'll have to drop in coverage and do some coverage things, even in the nickel package, and also just be able to pull around in the pass rush, because the LEO in the nickel package does a lot of standing up rushing, rushing outside, rushing inside, drops in coverage. So you've got to kind of be the all-purpose football player to play that position."

Now maybe they believe Beasley has the kind of versatility to be a 3 down player from the gate but I think he has lots of work to do, and he has not been asked to do anything close to it in college. Since he is the pick I am remaining cautiously optimistic.

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LEO. Easy. But we've still got Biermann and Schofield if it's a hindrance early. But that's why you put Hageman at the 3T to further protect Beasley.

This is interesting. I'd think they'd kick Babs back inside as the 3T & let Shede be at the 5. What's your reasoning for having him inside?

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No, his problem is he took plays off on the running plays.

I have you blocked till the draft is over to avoid spoilers, but no, that wasn't the issue. If anything you might be thinking of his backside pursuit on run plays, he does need to improve his effort chasing plays going away from him. But he gives full initial effort on run plays that go both to his side and to the other side.

He actually does a good job of maintaining contain (except when he's occasionally undisciplined), which is moreso what the LEO is asked to do - a traditional defensive end might be asked to set the edge more, but he just has to maintain contain typically while the WILL and MIKE clean up after him. Having our best LB (imo) in Durant at the WILL should be really good for easing that transition. If we were asking him to play DE the way a normal 4-3 (or god forbid, a 3-4) end does, I would absolutely agree, his ability to set the edge is pretty iffy, he doesn't have the length to engage with OTs and then shed blocks. But he absolutely has the traits needed to play contain.

The biggest, most basic responsibilities for LEOs are rushing the passer, dropping back in coverage, and playing contain against the run. He's the most explosive edge rusher in the draft, and he's plenty capable of moving well in space, as evidenced by drills and sporadic usage as a coverage LB.

Going to get a bit more into scheme for why he fits us now - for Clemson, they usually ran a 4-3 Over, with a lot of 4-2-5 (nickel) and - you guessed it - 4-3 Under looks. He wasn't asked to 2-gap. He was put into a position where he usually just had to rush the passer and, upon diagnosing a run, play contain so the RB couldn't bounce it outside. When he played in the Over, yeah, he was asked to hold the edge more often, but depending on how exactly our defense functions this year, I don't see him being asked to do that often.

He can play contain, he can rush the passer, he can drop back in coverage. He's a perfect fit. When Bedwetter asked Quinn whether or not he was worried about Beasley against the run, he paused, looked at him like he was an idiot, said "no" and started laughing. It probably seems like a dumb question to him because in our base defense Beasley should be able to play the run fine, though not at a great level right away. Yeah, if we have certain looks he'll probably have to come out, and I'm sure he'll start off in somewhat of a rotation, but I'm not worried about his role at all down the line.

Sorry for rambling.

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