Theyhateme : ) Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Initially, I was against it....no way in the world should we do this. We don't have his measurables after the injury being that he didn't participate in the combine. However, I actually support grabbing him there. Here's why:He's a franchise RBHe BlocksOne-cut, power/speed backBig and physicalImmediate starter-day 1My views have changed on the DE position...we (The Falcons) are pressing way to hard at finding the "answer" at DE. We really need a solid push up the middle and the DE position will start to thrive. Like a "Rod Coleman" type...we are simply missing pressure up the middle. Every year we (The Falcons) announce on a bull-horn that they are going after the QB from the "outside" pass-rushing position as if the middle pass rush is dynamic, well it's not...it's rather weak. This only allows OC to ramp up and counter outside pressure tactics. QBs get rid of the ball much faster than decent pass-rushers can even get there anyways. So I just wouldn't fall in love with finding a stud outside pass-rusher at #8....IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXVIII-III Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 You forgot he keeps defense off the field, unless he's hitting home runs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Initially, I was against it....no way in the world should we do this. We don't have his measurables after the injury being that he didn't participate in the combine. However, I actually support grabbing him there. Here's why:He's a franchise RBHe BlocksOne-cut, power/speed backBig and physicalImmediate starter-day 1My views have changed on the DE position...we (The Falcons) are pressing way to hard at finding the "answer" at DE. We really need a solid push up the middle and the DE position will start to thrive. Like a "Rod Coleman" type...we are simply missing pressure up the middle. Every year we (The Falcons) announce on a bull-horn that they are going after the QB from the "outside" pass-rushing position as if the middle pass rush is dynamic, well it's not...it's rather weak. This only allows OC to ramp up and counter outside pressure tactics. QBs get rid of the ball much faster than decent pass-rushers can even get there anyways. So I just wouldn't fall in love with finding a stud outside pass-rusher at #8....IMO. Welcome to the Dark Side....we have more than cookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Diesel Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 "If he's healthy"He's not, he has a torn ACL.So EdgeRushie2Atlantie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 "If he's healthy"He's not, he has a torn ACL.So EdgeRushie2AtlantieHe checked out medically & he'll be healthy by the time the season starts, anyway since Williams, Fowler & Beasley will probably be gone by the time we pick, where do you see the value if we have to pick between these three @ 8? DupreeGurleyScherffI say the value pick is Gurley & it's not even close, jmho.Even though I believe that 8 is too high to take an OG, I would be happy with any of these three as they will improve our team but I also think most here would not be happy with any of them for one reason or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 "If he's healthy"He's not, he has a torn ACL.So EdgeRushie2AtlantieWhy has he been cleared..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Diesel Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He checked out medically & he'll be healthy by the time the season starts, anyway since Williams, Fowler & Beasley will probably be gone by the time we pick, where do you see the value if we have to pick between these three @ 8? DupreeGurleyScherffI say the value pick is Gurley & it's not even close, jmho.Even though I believe that 8 is too high to take an OG, I would be happy with any of these three as they will improve our team but I also think most here would not be happy with any of them for one reason or another.Hypothetically, if Williams, Fowler, and Beasley are off the board...I would be happy with:DupreeScherffor trade downPicking Gurley wouldn't be the end of the World, I just think we have more pressing needs and I'm also worried about his knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Diesel Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Why has he been cleared..?Brother, I'm aware... but it is an ACL tear. Which makes me very concerned and still sounds like a bit of a gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Why has he been cleared..?He checked out medically & should be ready to go by the time the season starts by every one of the several reports I've read. ACLs are not the same scary injury today. Please share any info you have that says different, I honestly want to read it. Directly from the horses mouth & he says what we'd expect him to say [–]pancakes324 8 points3 hours ago What does having a torn ACL feel like? How are you coming along?[–]Todd_GurleyII[S] 24 points2 hours ago It's fixed now. It didn't really hurt. Just after surgery it really ached. –]HookEmTexx 33 points3 hours ago Don't want any I'll be happy with whoever takes me none sense. What is your ideal draft day scenario? Also, how is the knee doing? Reports of your timely recovery are amazing. [–]Todd_GurleyII[S] 83 points2 hours ago LOL. I want to be the number 1 pick. that's probably not going to happen. at the end of the day, i'll still be happymy knee is good. aiming for camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He checked out medically & should be ready to go by the time the season starts by every report I've read. ACLs are not the injury today. Please share any info you have that says different, I honestly want to read it. I've heard the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Insano Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The best defense you can have is your offense on the field..I got so sick of seeing Jackson or Quizz causing 2nd and 10-12s causing us to have long 2nd and 3rd downs..and if by chance we did get to a 3rd and 1, we had 0 faith (deservingly so) in going with the run game to pick it up..Gurley would be a game changer for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 If the Falcons select him all we can do is support the pick and hope it turns out to be a good one. All the speculating is pointless. At least the concern with him is something he couldn't control unlike Ray and Gregory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 "If he's healthy"He's not, he has a torn ACL.So EdgeRushie2AtlantieHe had one. It is no longer torn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I've read a little bit of medical literature that places the risk of reinjury or injury to the other knee of a torn ACL between 2-4%. Are those numbers small? Sure. But they're also somewhere between 4 and 6 times higher than a non-injured ACL.Plus he had a decent ankle injury.Plus he'd left other games with nicks and bruises. Plus he had a badly injured ankle in high school.His injury history isn't great. And I'm the first guy to say that "injury prone" is rarely a real thing. But when you've got a back with a history of joint injuries at multiple joints AND he possesses a physical running style where he doesnt do well to avoid contact, you've gotta be cautious. Factor in the fact that we already have a player with similar questions and I think you've gotta be even more cautious. I think he's a very good prospect and projects well to the NFL. But I wouldnt draft him unless I offset some of the risk by trading down to pick up another player in the 2nd/3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiker Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Why is it Gurley gets a pass on the injury riddled card when others do not?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Why is it Gurley gets a pass on the injury riddled card when others do not??Well, if you're posing a legit question, please phrase it honestly. "Injury riddled"? I mean, c'mon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Diesel Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He had one. It is no longer torn.He's still quite questionable for Training Camp. I've had multiple D-I level friends that have gone through ACL surgery and know how hard it was to come back to full strength.Of course Gurley's people are going to try to convince everyone that he is doing great to get him drafted higher.To me, he's a gamble. I love Gurley's game, how hard he runs, and I truly hope he is 100% going into the season regardless of who gets him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He's still quite questionable for Training Camp. I've had multiple D-I level friends that have gone through ACL surgery and know how hard it was to come back to full strength.Of course Gurley's people are going to try to convince everyone that he is doing great to get him drafted higher.To me, he's a gamble. I love Gurley's game, how hard he runs, and I truly hope he is 100% going into the season regardless of who gets him.I guess it's just my personal big board and my bpa nature that likes the idea. All players are risks. Some for injuries, some for size, some for effort, brains, character, etc. I don't see his injury as any more of a risk than, say Beasly's ability to stay on the field every down and produce. If he's just a one trick pony, that worries me. A lot.I have Gurley rated second behind Williams. I wouldn't hesitate to draft him because on my board, minus Williams being available, he's head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 almost over, thank god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Why has he been cleared..?He may have been cleared, but it is still an ACL tear. His rehab is not complete, so how good will his speed and cutting ability be by the start of the season? Running on a tread mill is one thing, but live action that involves planting your foot in the ground to make a quick cut is a whole other type of stress on the knee. I'm not saying he can't do it, but most athletes require a certain length of time for the knee to heal properly. No matter how you want to look at it, the Falcons would be using a high draft pick for an injured player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I guess it's just my personal big board and my bpa nature that likes the idea. All players are risks. Some for injuries, some for size, some for effort, brains, character, etc. I don't see his injury as any more of a risk than, say Beasly's ability to stay on the field every down and produce. If he's just a one trick pony, that worries me. A lot.I have Gurley rated second behind Williams. I wouldn't hesitate to draft him because on my board, minus Williams being available, he's head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd.Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I wonder if the needs based, desperation crowd even sees the huge flaws in these supposed pass rushers? Never mind. Of course they don't. They don't see anything, except that that they hate a person simply because of his background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He may have been cleared, but it is still an ACL tear. His rehab is not complete, so how good will his speed and cutting ability be by the start of the season? Running on a tread mill is one thing, but live action that involves planting your foot in the ground to make a quick cut is a whole other type of stress on the knee. I'm not saying he can't do it, but most athletes require a certain length of time for the knee to heal properly. No matter how you want to look at it, the Falcons would be using a high draft pick for an injured player.If you sprained an ankle, will it always be sprained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 almost over, thank god.No way man.If he doesnt end up on this team, we'll be receiving updates for the rest of his career. The Ghostie of Gurlie is going to haunt this board for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigglypuff Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Gurley will not be a Falcon /end threadHaha just because you "wish" something to happen does not work in real life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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