g-dawg Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 ok, I have the paperback version so I cannot "cut-paste" so I am just going to give you a snippet:Grade Scale:9.0 - once/generation player (e.g. Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders)8.00-8.99 pereninial all-pro (e.g. Anthony Munoz)7.00-7.99 Eventual all-pro6.50-6.99 Sure Fire first-rounder should make immediate impact6.00-6.49 Likely first-rounder capable of starting readily5.60-5.99 Likely second-rounder with immediate starter potential5.40-5.59 Likely third-rounder with sub-starter potential5.21-5.39 Should make a roster and contribute on special teamsBest Player Available By Grade (Nolan Nawrocki):DT Leondard Williams 7.20 OLB Dante Fowler 7.15 QB Jameis Winston 6.80 WR Kevin White 6.75 QB Marcus Mariota 6.70 WR Amari Cooper 6.65 RB Todd Gurley 6.60 DE Randy Gregory 6.60 OT Brandon Scherff 6.52 OT Andrus Peat 6.45 CB Trae Wayne 6.37 OLB Vic Beasley 6.34 OT Erik Flowers 6.32 OLB Eli Harold 6.32 OLB Shane Ray 6.32 RB Melvin Gordon 6.27 WR DeVante Parker 6.27 CB Marcus Peters 6.23 FS Landon Collins 6.23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 according to Nawrocki, looks like trading up for FOWLER or WILLIAMS would be worth it - especially if we could hang onto our 2nd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I only disagree with a little of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I honestly don't understand how people can watch the film of Mariota and Winston and walk away thinking that the latter player is better. Winston made more bad throws in a half than Mariota did all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 according to Nawrocki, looks like trading up for FOWLER or WILLIAMS would be worth it - especially if we could hang onto our 2nd rounder.I think if either player makes it past the Raiders the FO will pull the trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Forget all of that. I want to know who has a fake smile and thinks he's better than everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I honestly don't understand how people can watch the film of Mariota and Winston and walk away thinking that the latter player is better. Winston made more bad throws in a half than Mariota did all season.Its not always the throws and everything. There is way more to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think if either player makes it past the Raiders the FO will pull the triggerassuming they can find a trade partner that does not want to make Falcons pillow-bite - I agree.Forget all of that. I want to know who has a fake smile and thinks he's better than everyone else.cam newton - and he is fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Its not always the throws and everything. There is way more to it.This is exactly how people talk themselves out of the obvious. 2015 has been the worst demonstration of it since Ryan Leaf had more upside than Peyton Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Forget all of that. I want to know who has a fake smile and thinks he's better than everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 This is exactly how people talk themselves out of the obvious. 2015 has been the worst demonstration of it since Ryan Leaf had more upside than Peyton Manning.I know several scouts who would agree with you 100% on this. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons4life Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I have a feeling that Fowler was and is our prime target and always has been. We're trading up to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Seems he agrees that the defensive guys in this draft --particularly edge rushers are overvalued. Good but not great prospects who'll get drafted early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 I have a feeling that Fowler was and is our prime target and always has been. We're trading up to get him.I see that as a very real possibility. I could see either the Raiders @ #4 or Redskins @ #5 as teams that would be willing to move back to Falcons position at #8.I think the cost for a move-up of that magnitude would likely be a 3rd this year(#72) a 7th rounder this year and then maybe a 4th rounder in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 lies! gurley is the best back ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I honestly don't understand how people can watch the film of Mariota and Winston and walk away thinking that the latter player is better. Winston made more bad throws in a half than Mariota did all season.Mariota was a better college player. Winston is the better pro prospect. We will see which one is the best pro player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Mariota was a better college player. Winston is the better pro prospect. We will see which one is the best pro playerI don't agree in any way, shape, or form. Even ignoring the off-field issues that matter today more than ever and are a dealbreaker on their own for Winston, the two players are the same height and only a few pounds apart in weight yet Mariota is faster (by almost half a second per 40 yards), more explosive, a harder worker (in practice *and* the classroom), and more accurate with the football. This whole thing is so surreal that it feels like an elaborate prank. I'm -thrilled- that Tampa Bay is apparently going to miss the forest for the trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 ok, I have the paperback version so I cannot "cut-paste" so I am just going to give you a snippet: Grade Scale: 9.0 - once/generation player (e.g. Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders) 8.00-8.99 pereninial all-pro (e.g. Anthony Munoz) 7.00-7.99 Eventual all-pro 6.50-6.99 Sure Fire first-rounder should make immediate impact 6.00-6.49 Likely first-rounder capable of starting readily 5.60-5.99 Likely second-rounder with immediate starter potential 5.40-5.59 Likely third-rounder with sub-starter potential 5.21-5.39 Should make a roster and contribute on special teams Best Player Available By Grade (Nolan Nawrocki):DT Leondard Williams 7.20OLB Dante Fowler 7.15QB Jameis Winston 6.80WR Kevin White 6.75QB Marcus Mariota 6.70WR Amari Cooper 6.65RB Todd Gurley 6.60DE Randy Gregory 6.60OT Brandon Scherff 6.52OT Andrus Peat 6.45CB Trae Wayne 6.37OLB Vic Beasley 6.34OT Erik Flowers 6.32OLB Eli Harold 6.32OLB Shane Ray 6.32RB Melvin Gordon 6.27WR DeVante Parker 6.27CB Marcus Peters 6.23FS Landon Collins 6.23 I think that this guy is right on. Gurley's score would be half a point higher, if he had a cleaner health history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I wonder what injuries factor in? Sorry, but Gurley should be a high 7 at least. I'm sure the limited playing time factored in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I don't agree in any way, shape, or form. Even ignoring the off-field issues that matter today more than ever and are a dealbreaker on their own for Winston, the two players are the same height and only a few pounds apart in weight yet Mariota is faster (by almost half a second per 40 yards), more explosive, a harder worker (in practice *and* the classroom), and more accurate with the football. This whole thing is so surreal that it feels like an elaborate prank. I'm -thrilled- that Tampa Bay is apparently going to miss the forest for the trees. Mariota worked in a spread offense. His "accuracy" is a function of how open is receivers were. Hey, I don't trust Winston's off-field stuff, but he was forced to throw into very tight windows. He had to make NFL-like plays every day. There is a reason that nearly every ranking has Winston ahead of Mariota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think that this guy is right on. Gurley's score would be half a point higher, if he had a cleaner health history.When he wrote for PFW, injury history was a part of his grading system. He had a symbol to denote players with particularly problematic medical flags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 According to some posters here Gurley is an 11.0 on that scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Mariota was a better college player. Winston is the better pro prospect. We will see which one is the best pro playerI don't agree in any way, shape, or form. Even ignoring the off-field issues that matter today more than ever and are a dealbreaker on their own for Winston, the two players are the same height and only a few pounds apart in weight yet Mariota is faster (by almost half a second per 40 yards), more explosive, a harder worker (in practice *and* the classroom), and more accurate with the football. This whole thing is so surreal that it feels like an elaborate prank. I'm -thrilled- that Tampa Bay is apparently going to miss the forest for the trees.Oh goodness guys...they are in the SAME category... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 When he wrote for PFW, injury history was a part of his grading system. He had a symbol to denote players with particularly problematic medical flags.still does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 G dawg can you post up the 2014 rankings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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