k-train Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I feel like this year is not much different than last season, where TD knows he is on thin ice.This makes me think TD will go with the safest option he can tomorrow night, just as he did last year.Everything about Matthews seemed to make sense to me even prior to the pick last season. The pass rushers and other OTs all had question marks. Mathews had far fewer, he might not have been the flashiest player available to us, but he filled a need & seemed like the lowest risk to bust.This season seems a bit more tricky as almost every player in this draft seems like a project. This is why I think the rumors of a trade up could actually hold some weight.Quinn coached Fowler himself, so he has a better read on him than anyone else available. This is a huge advantage, and if they feel like Fowler is a sure thing, they will make the move up for him.The flip side of that is that if we do not trade up for him, it likely means that he also is seen as a big question mark... even for a guy who personally coached him... and isn't seen as being worth the risk of trading up.If we stay put at #8, it gets very interesting because there will likely be no "can't miss" or even close to that players left. It will be curious to see how they play their hand in that situation, as that will likely be the selection that ultimately makes or breaks TDs future employment by the Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltese Falcon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Very, very good points. This is TDs job on the line. The only Elite/Can't Miss players in this draft are Williams, Fowler and a WR or two. The absolute, consensus all-around safest could be Williams. Edited April 29, 2015 by Maltese Falcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyakita Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Is TD drafting for his job or is Pioli? I thought this was a new draft strategy that included Pioli, Quinn and TDs input?? i think its time everyone realizes this isn't a 100% TD draft so if you don't agree and want to rant about picks or how the draft goes...make sure you include all those involved.Good post otherwise but you know a large majority will be up in arms no matter what we do tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 Is TD drafting for his job or is Pioli? I thought this was a new draft strategy that included Pioli, Quinn and TDs input?? i think its time everyone realizes this isn't a 100% TD draft so if you don't agree and want to rant about picks or how the draft goes...make sure you include all those involved.Good post otherwise but you know a large majority will be up in arms no matter what we do tomorrow.They all will have some level of input. The coach has had input on the draft the entire time TD has been here. That is nothing new.In a way, I'm sure Pioli is likely needing a solid draft as well. I'd think he wants to be a GM again at some point, and the best way for him to achieve that is to play a significant part in our reshaping the team back into a contender.I don't see a power struggle like some here want to claim. I think TD ultimately makes the choice. Quinn & Pioli take their advice to him, and he decides what to do based on the info they provide. I certainly don't think Pioli would get hired by us as GM if TD was eventually let go. Pioli would be out with him IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power I Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Everyone assumed Pete Carroll was going to take Taylor Mays too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Bro, major understatement. TD has to know the billionaire has his leash short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Moving up for a player that may not be a once-in-a-decade talent would indicate that Dimitroff is not secure in his job. If he were secure, he would be making deals to move down and pick up future draft picks. The job of a GM is to find talent where no one else can. Everyone on these boards can identify Dante Fowler as a talented pass rusher.....everyone. You don't need a million dollar budget and a cadre of staff to spot Fowler. Dimitroff is being paid to find talent in every round. If he is busy trading away picks, that means that he has not found talent elsewhere. For crying out loud, it's not like he needs to find Uber talent to start ahead of the shlock we have on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 He does exactly what Blank wants and expects. He isn't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 Very, very good points. This is TDs job on the line. The only Elite/Can't Miss players in this draft are Williams, Fowler and a WR or two. The absolute, consensus all-around safest could be Williams.Very possible, but Clowney was the consensus all-around can't miss guy last year & he turned out to be a bit underwhelming.That said, it seemed obvious that there were some questions about Clowned from the get go. For example, Houston kept trying to trade out of the top spot, and they never actually committed to him until they were on the clock & absolutely had to pick him. If he was really worth all the hype, teams would've been clawing each other's eyes out for the chance to grab him., or Houston would have come out & said they were taking him from the start. If they actually thought he was as good as advertised, they would never consider letting him get away from them.Is Williams great, or is he just looking great because he's being compared to the other guys in this class whose ceiling may only be just above pretty good?We haven't so far heard of anyone else interested in moving up for Williams, but the teams already in a position to take him all seem interested in moving down, rather than keeping him for themselves. That certainly doesn't prove a thing, but it does seem like a possible warning sign in the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasfalconfan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The main thing is that TD pioli and Quinn and shanahan are all on the same page. The coaches should be setting up the draft boards and the fo should be getting the most value for the picks they have. I think mine smith really never had a plan or an identity and TD was picking best he could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltese Falcon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Very possible, but Clowney was the consensus all-around can't miss guy last year & he turned out to be a bit underwhelming.That said, it seemed obvious that there were some questions about Clowned from the get go. For example, Houston kept trying to trade out of the top spot, and they never actually committed to him until they were on the clock & absolutely had to pick him. If he was really worth all the hype, teams would've been clawing each other's eyes out for the chance to grab him., or Houston would have come out & said they were taking him from the start. If they actually thought he was as good as advertised, they would never consider letting him get away from them.Is Williams great, or is he just looking great because he's being compared to the other guys in this class whose ceiling may only be just above pretty good?We haven't so far heard of anyone else interested in moving up for Williams, but the teams already in a position to take him all seem interested in moving down, rather than keeping him for themselves. That certainly doesn't prove a thing, but it does seem like a possible warning sign in the distance.Another good point - I do have to scratch my head as to why teams are interested in moving down if Williams is on the table. It's safe to say that if TD had given away the 2014 and 2015 draft to go up and get Clowney, he would have been out of a job this past December. Edited April 29, 2015 by Maltese Falcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Ben Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 TD may be on thin ice with the lot of you, but, fortunately, Arthur Blank's opinion is the one that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 doubt it. quinn apparently really likes him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Ben Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Another good point - I do have to scratch my head as to why teams are interested in moving down if Williams is on the table. It's safe to say that if TD had given away the 2014 and 2015 draft to go up and get Clowney, he would have been out of a job this past December.Now, that may be true. Trade up and draft another injury-plagued 1st rounder and he may have sealed his fate. Good thing Jake managed to gimp his way across the finish line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 TD may be on thin ice with the lot of you, but, fortunately, Arthur Blank's opinion is the one that matters. So you are suggesting that after 2 straight abysmal seasons, if TD, as GM of this team, cannot get things turned around quickly Blank is just going to let him keep on keeping on?I am no TD hater by any stretch. I've actually defended him on numerous points, and I actually like that he is an outside the box thinker. That aside, I find it hard to believe that if we go 7-9 or worse Blank would still employ the man. Blank needs to fill a very expensive stadium soon. He cannot afford to have a losing franchise, and 3 straught terrible seasons under the watch of TD would surely seal his fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOYLE Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 TD is drafting for his job every year. He is the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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