Kayoh Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Basically, you want #1 more than any other player in the draft, but if that guy is gone, you'd take #2, then #3, etc until you get to #8 which basically would assume that no QBs get taken in the top 7, a highly unlikely scenario. Here's mine: 1. Randy Gregory 2. Vic Beasley 3. Amari Cooper 4. Bud Dupree 5. Brandon Scherff 6. Owamagbe Odighizuwa 7. Kevin White 8. Preston Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 #1: Vic Beasley#2: Leonard Williams#3: Shane Ray#4: Randy Gregory#5: Dante Fowler#6: Brandon Scherff#7: Bud Dupree#8: Kevin White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 #1: Vic Beasley #2: Leonard Williams #3: Shane Ray #4: Randy Gregory #5: Dante Fowler #6: Brandon Scherff #7: Bud Dupree #8: Kevin White so weird to me that scherff is higher on my big board than yours lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 1: Leonard Williams 2: Brandon Scherff 3: Bud Dupree 4: Shane Ray 5: Vic Beasley 6: Dante Fowler, Jr 7: La'el Collins 8: Danny Shelton so if beasley is on the board, you'd rather have leonard williams or brandon scherff? O_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 1: Leonard Williams2: Dante Fowler, Jr3: Brandon Scherff4: Vic Beasley5: Danny Shelton6: Shane Ray7: Todd Gurley8: Amari Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 1: Leonard Williams 2: Dante Fowler, Jr 3: Brandon Scherff 4: Vic Beasley 5: Danny Shelton 6: Shane Ray 7: Todd Gurley 8: Amari Cooper you'd rather have scherff than beasley too? I'm so confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTann Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 1. Vic Beasley2. Leonard Williams3. Randy Gregory4. Shane Ray5. Dante Fowler6. Brandon Scherff7. Kevin White8. Bud Dupree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Amari CooperDante Fowler Vic Beasely Leonard WilliamsTodd Gurley Marcus Peters Kevin WhiteAlvin DupreeCam Erving Melvin Gordon Your "Big Board" should be the top players who you think will become great long term players in the NFL regardless of team. These are my top 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 you'd rather have scherff than beasley too? I'm so confusedI just don't see Beasley as a good scheme fit here. Where would you play him? Edit: I do think he's going to be really good in somebody's 3-4 D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) WilliamsFowlerBeasley GregoryRayDupreeCooperWhite Trade down.Edit: Forgot about Gregor Lol. Edited April 28, 2015 by Jsid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I just don't see Beasley as a good scheme fit here. Where would you play him? Edit: I do think he's going to be really good in somebody's 3-4 D.He would be an awesome fit at LEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobeit Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 1. Amari Cooper2. Leonard Williams3. Devante Parker4. Bud Dupree5. Brandon Scherff6. Dante Fowler7. Vic Beasley8. Andrus Peat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 1. Amari Cooper2. Leonard Williams3. Devante Parker4. Bud Dupree5. Brandon Scherff6. Dante Fowler7. Vic Beasley8. Andrus PeatYou would take Parker over Beasley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 He would be an awesome fit at LEO.Possibly eventually, but I don't think so right away. He still struggles against the run and will be a situational pass rusher only for a while IMO (3rd downs & in Bear fronts). The LEO's has the responsibility of containing runs and forcing the runner back inside, which is not a Beasley strong suit (putting it nicely). I can't see us using the #8 pick on a 3rd down LB. I do really like Beasley long term, and I think he could get us 8 sacks this year, but that would be on maybe 30% of the D snaps at best IMO.JMO anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobeit Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) You would take Parker over Beasley?Possibly it would depend on several things. That is pretty much how I rank to top 8 draft-able players I would take at 8 in order of either how ready I think they are or potential I think they have. So yeah if all that was left out of that list was Beasley and Parker I would probably grab Parker because he is a perfect fit for the WCO offense. Out of the pass rushers mentioned here I think that Beasley and Ray are the worst fits at LEO. Edited April 25, 2015 by Sobeit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 so weird to me that scherff is higher on my big board than yours lolIt's just a matter of me having some faith in Ray and somewhat Fowler and really wanting a pass rusher. I wouldn't take a project like Dupree over Scherff tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 1. Vic Beasley2. Leonard Williams3a. Randy Gregory3b. Shane Ray5. Brandon Scherff6. Landon Collins7. Marcus Peters8. Carl Davis This won't be popular at all...I just don't want to list anyone on my big 8 unless I think they have a really solid chance of being great to elite players. Even if they're seen as late round one guys. As you can see, I've fallen off the Dupree bandwagon really hard. I just worry, because you can't teach instincts. More than anything else, that's what I think he lacks. He hesitates way too much. It could be because of scheme but that's not a chance I'd be willing to take. Also: Possibly eventually, but I don't think so right away. He still struggles against the run and will be a situational pass rusher only for a while IMO (3rd downs & in Bear fronts). The LEO's has the responsibility of containing runs and forcing the runner back inside, which is not a Beasley strong suit (putting it nicely). I can't see us using the #8 pick on a 3rd down LB. I do really like Beasley long term, and I think he could get us 8 sacks this year, but that would be on maybe 30% of the D snaps at best IMO.JMO anyway.That's really not the LEO's responsibility at all. You're thinking of a standard 4-3 Defense. A 4-3 under, assuming that's our base defense, is essentially a 4-3 defense with 3-4 personnel. The LEO is almost always a smaller, faster defensive end used in a pass rushing role, and on their other snaps they're almost always dropping back into coverage. I think we should use Beasley like Demarcus Ware...he had some years where he was used as a pass rusher 85%+ of snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 That's really not the LEO's responsibility at all. You're thinking of a standard 4-3 Defense. A 4-3 under, assuming that's our base defense, is essentially a 4-3 defense with 3-4 personnel. The LEO is almost always a smaller, faster defensive end used in a pass rushing role, and on their other snaps they're almost always dropping back into coverage. I think we should use Beasley like Demarcus Ware...he had some years where he was used as a pass rusher 85%+ of snaps.Not according to Pete Carroll....Bruce understands the scheme,” Carroll said. “He’s consistent at staying on the edge. He closes well. The things that that position calls for, he needs to maintain contain on the outside runs your way and you have to chase like crazy on the ball going away. He’s done all of that well.“We’ll certainly miss Clem, but (Irvin) can hold up his own.”Not every play is a passing play, he's got to be able to play the run or he's not going to be on the field except in obvious passing situations. The things, outside of rushing the passer, that Carroll says the LEO has to do well, Beasley doesn't do well at all.http://www.seahawks.com/news/2013/01/07/chris-clemons-out-bruce-irvin-will-step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 To everybody with Leonard Williams in your top 8: Why do you want him and what does he do that Tyson Jackson doesn't already do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 To everybody with Leonard Williams in your top 8: Why do you want him and what does he do that Tyson Jackson doesn't already do?Shed blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 To everybody with Leonard Williams in your top 8: Why do you want him and what does he do that Tyson Jackson doesn't already do?Williams has faster hands, is better at shedding blocks, he has an elite swim move, and he's absurdly good at using his length to compliment his strength. Tyson Jackson is great at using his strength to be an elite run defender as a 3-4 DE, but he's nowhere near as aggressive, nor is he as good of a pass rusher. His hands aren't comparable at all. I disagree with the people comparing him to Watt but I think he can be an elite run defending 3-4 DE/LE in the 4-3 under, he can play DT fairly well too, and he'll be good for 6-8 sacks a year most likely. The Jackson one isn't totally awful from a run defense perspective, but it kind of feels like you just looked at their combine numbers, which seems to be the reason you like/dislike a lot of guys. Dunno why you're surprised people have a near unanimous top 3 player in the draft in their top 8. I'm not harping on anyone for Fowler.PS, I'm gonna blow your mind like that video apparently did for you and Gregory, because Williams was used in the same way. I would think you'd have noticed, guess not. Almost always doing a tackle read. His burst off the line when he's being asked to pass rush is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Possibly it would depend on several things. That is pretty much how I rank to top 8 draft-able players I would take at 8 in order of either how ready I think they are or potential I think they have. So yeah if all that was left out of that list was Beasley and Parker I would probably grab Parker because he is a perfect fit for the WCO offense. Out of the pass rushers mentioned here I think that Beasley and Ray are the worst fits at LEO.That's strange because I think they are probably the two best LEO fits. Them and Gregory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Fires off the line. Slaps away the initial double team, after that look at the way he uses his length. Textbook one arm technique. He abuses that tackle. His technique is good enough and he's absolutely strong enough that stuff like that will work in the NFL too. Think you need to watch him more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Not according to Pete Carroll....Not every play is a passing play, he's got to be able to play the run or he's not going to be on the field except in obvious passing situations. The things, outside of rushing the passer, that Carroll says the LEO has to do well, Beasley doesn't do well at all.http://www.seahawks.com/news/2013/01/07/chris-clemons-out-bruce-irvin-will-stepThere is a difference in "playing the run" and "maintain contain on the outside runs".All that is saying is that he needs to be disciplined on the outside on possible run downs and don't lose containment. He doesn't have to set the edge. He just can't let the run get outside of him. It doesn't have as much to do with being physically strong at the point of attack as much as it does his positioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 PS, I'm gonna blow your mind like that video apparently did for you and Gregory, because Williams was used in the same way. I would think you'd have noticed, guess not. Almost always doing a tackle read. His burst off the line when he's being asked to pass rush is great. I actually knew that about Williams. Compare Leonard Williams' USC tape to Tyson Jackson's LSU tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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