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So, Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston? Who will be the superior NFL quarterback? At this moment, Mel Kiper Jr. and Mike Mayock are debating this at an NFL Draftniks Anonymous meeting in Todd McShay’s basement.

Mariota or Winston? It’s like the argument that Eddie had with Shrevie and Modell in the 1982 film “Diner:” “Sinatra or Mathis?” Boogie ended the Sinatra-or-Mathis dispute by simply saying, “Presley.” Which means, in deciding between Mariota and Winston, maybe the correct answer is “Brett Hundley.”


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Anyway, the NFL draft is next week. Couch Slouch has watched so much film on these guys, I can tell you which one sneezes better. With a clicker, a clipboard and a crayon, I have compiled a list of 12 categories comparing the two Heisman Trophy winners. Here are my findings:

Turnovers: At Oregon last season, Mariota attempted 445 passes with only four interceptions; at Florida State, Winston attempted 467 passes with 18 interceptions. Ball security is of the essence in the NFL, or as Mike Ditka told me last week, “Turnovers will kill you.”Edge: Mariota.

NFL readiness: Mariota ran a spread-option offense at Oregon and operated out of the shotgun. Winston ran a pro-style offense at Florida State and once went on a shooting spree at an apartment complex with a BB gun. Edge: Mariota.


Communication skills: Mariota is shy in public, a reluctant speaker when he has to take the podium. Winston stood atop a table in the student union last autumn and shouted an obscene phrase directed at women. Edge: Mariota.

Legal team: Mariota does not have a lawyer. Winston’s former attorney, David Cornwell, recently said of Winston, “He’s ready to be an NFL player on the field. But he’s not ready to be an NFL player off the field.” And this guy was representing him. Edge: Mariota.

(Column Intermission: Breakout stars like Stephen Curry and Jordan Spieth are riveting, but you want to know what really makes my mustache curl? A bowler. His name is Jason Belmonte. He’s made the TV finals in 10 of the last 12 PBA majors. The 31-year-old Australian is the best in the game; he’s personable, dynamic and rolls the ball with two hands. Why doesn’t everyone do this? He’s the Thomas Edison of bowling. If I wasn’t with Toni and he wasn’t with Kimberly, I’d marry him tomorrow.)




Academic accolades: In 2012, Mariota was named Pacific-12 Academic All-Conference Honorable Mention. In 2012-13 and 2013-14, Winston made the All-ACC Academic Honor Roll. The ACC, however, is the home of North Carolina, meaning you can be academically honored in those parts while attending “phantom classes.” Edge: Mariota.

Course of study: Mariota earned a degree in general science. Winston was an exploratory major — that’s when you are exploring your options, like whether to go to class or not — though his father says Jameis would’ve gotten an engineering degree if he didn’t leave school early. Uh huh. Edge: Mariota.

Singles scene: Mariota broke up with his long-time high school sweetheart last year and has settled in with a new girlfriend. Winston had a sexual encounter in 2012 that he says was “consensual” with an FSU classmate who accused him of sexual assault. Edge: Mariota.

Vertical jump: Mariota – 36 inches; Winston – 281/2 inches. But Winston’s jump easily exceeds Mariota’s best numbers when he’s hopping a fence after departing a supermarket with $32.72 worth of stolen crab legs.


Athleticism: Mariota is a fluid runner, with great acceleration to the perimeter. Winston has pedestrian 4.97 speed in the 40, but it improves to 4.29 when he’s fleeing a crime scene. Edge: Mariota.

Height: Both players are nearly 6 feet 4 inches tall, but Winston slouches a bit when he’s leaving Burger King with soda he has not paid for. Edge: Mariota.

Hobbies: Mariota likes to go to the library. Winston likes to hunt squirrels. Edge: Mariota.

Networking: Mariota tends to keep to himself. Winston met with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell last month – it never hurts to brown-nose the big boss. Edge: Winston.




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It's kind of scary how much people want to hang Winston and see him fail. For what? Stealing some crab legs? Playing with a pellet gun? Cursing in public? Yeah......what a freaking dirtbag!

I imagine most of those that feel that way are hiding some REAL dirty secrets themselves.rolleyes.gif

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It's kind of scary how much people want to hang Winston and see him fail. For what? Stealing some crab legs? Playing with a pellet gun? Cursing in public? Yeah......what a freaking dirtbag!

I imagine most of those that feel that way are hiding some REAL dirty secrets themselves.rolleyes.gif

I don't think it's the actual carrying out of those acts, but just not thinking before doing them.

AND these "People" you are talking about that "Feel that way and are hiding dirty secrets too," is kind of a stupid point because it doesn't matter. If you get caught, you get caught. Plus the chances of getting caught and it being blown up by the media multiplies 1000 times when you are in the spotlight like Winston.

Look, I don't care either way - just wanted to make a point.that Winston made some dumb decisions and they are considered by many as REALLY dumb considering what he had/has at stake. Plenty of people do dumb things and as I said, a lot of times don't get caught and most people don't care unless you are someone that will attract media attention in a millisecond (such as the probable first pick in this years NFL draft).

You also failed to mention his sexual assault allegations.

He obviously seems to be able to make good decisions ON the field. I think it is fair to judge that he hasn't made very good ones OFF the field and a team considering drafting him should be concerned about that.

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Jameis Winston incidents timeline:


Nov. 25, 2012: A woman calls 911 to report that there are two men on a bike path on the Florida StateUniversity campus with what appears to be a black, long-barreled pistol. Police respond and draw their guns as they approach Jameis Winston and his roommate and teammate, Chris Casher, and ultimately handcuff them. The two tell the officer they were shooting at squirrels with a pellet gun, and they are released without charges being filed.


Nov. 25, 2012: A few hours after the incident on the bike path, Winston, Casher and two other Florida State players, Mario Edwards and Kenneth “P.J.” Williams, allegedly engage in a BB- and pellet-gun battle at their apartment house, inflicting an estimated $4,000 in damage. Management at the apartment house declines to press criminal charges after an FSU athletic official vows that the players will pay for the damage.


Dec. 7, 2012: Winston is accused of raping a woman at his off-campus apartment. The woman reports the assault to police that day and five weeks later calls a detective and identifies Winston as her attacker after seeing him in a class. Tallahassee police drop the investigation, contending the woman has refused to cooperate, then revive it nine months later and sent it to State Attorney Willie Meggs. Meggs conducts a new investigation but concludes that there is not enough evidence to file criminal charges. Winston’s lawyer contends the sexual encounter was consensual. The U.S. Department of Education later launches a federal investigation of the school’s handling of the incident after questions arise about whether Florida State followed the provisions of Title IX, and in August 2014 the school launches an investigation of Winston under the student code of conduct.


July 21, 2013: Winston is accused of entering a Burger King in Tallahassee and helping himself to soda from the fountain machine without paying for it. A restaurant employee later tells police she gave Winston a cup of water but that he poured the water out and helped himself to several cups of soda despite her objections. No charges are filed.


April 29, 2014: Winston is accused of stealing $32.72 worth of crab legs from a Tallahassee supermarket. He is given a civil citation that allows him to perform community service and is suspended from the FSU baseball team until he completes that work. Winston tells police he “forgot” to pay for the crab legs and publicly apologizes.


May 20, 2014: Winston is expected at a code-of-conduct hearing for Chris Casher and Ronald Darby, two FSU teammates who alleged the witnessed a portion of the sexual encounter involving the quarterback and the woman who accused him of rape. They are both accused of violating school rules. Winston does not show up for the hearing, and his lawyer contends that no one from the school ever asked him to be there – something that is disputed by attorneys involved in the process. However, FSU officials later acknowledge that they have no way to force a witness to attend a code-of-conduct hearing.


Sept. 16, 2014: Winston is seen by several students jumping up on a table on campus and screaming a sexually charged expletive-laced phrase that was made popular on the internet. FSU head football coach Jimbo Fisher suspends Winston for the first half of the team’s upcoming game with Clemson, and school officials vow that he will be subject to “internal discipline” – most likely under the school’s code of conduct. Winston apologizes.


UPDATE FROM FOX SPORTS:


Oct. 13, 2014: ESPN reports that FSU's compliance department is investigating whether Winston accepted money in exchange for autographs. The university's athletic director issues a statement on Oct. 17, explaining that the compliance staff looking into whether Jameis Winston accepted unauthorized benefits for his autograph has "no information indicating that he accepted payment for items reported to bear his signature, thereby compromising his athletics eligibility."



In my eyes, this is a guy that feels a real sense of entitlement and doesn't know how to handle being in the spotlight off the field.

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I don't think it's the actual carrying out of those acts, but just not thinking before doing them.

AND these "People" you are talking about that "Feel that way and are hiding dirty secrets too," is kind of a stupid point because it doesn't matter. If you get caught, you get caught. Plus the chances of getting caught and it being blown up by the media multiplies 1000 times when you are in the spotlight like Winston.

Look, I don't care either way - just wanted to make a point.that Winston made some dumb decisions and they are considered by many as REALLY dumb considering what he had/has at stake. Plenty of people do dumb things and as I said, a lot of times don't get caught and most people don't care unless you are someone that will attract media attention in a millisecond (such as the probable first pick in this years NFL draft).

You also failed to mention his sexual assault allegations.

He obviously seems to be able to make good decisions ON the field. I think it is fair to judge that he hasn't made very good ones OFF the field and a team considering drafting him should be concerned about that.

The dude is 21 freaking years old!!! I imagine you were a poster boy for maturity at 21?

My point was that it is so easy to cast stones at others, while neglecting to point that judgmental eye inwards.

Your sexual assault comment has been more or less Disproved something like 6 times by numerous sources.

If you wanna keep judging the kid for these "allegations", fine by me, but don't get your panties in a bunch when those of us that look at him for what he really seems to be. A 21 year old kid who's been thrown into the limelight while every single word he says, or action he displays is held under a microscope. More so, than any NFL draftee in history!

Hey, he may turn out to be a rip-roaring scumbag, but it's gonna take a lot more than what we've seen so far to get me to believe it.

In the mean time, I say give the kid a chance, before donning religious garb and heading out on a witch hunt.

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The dude is 21 freaking years old!!! I imagine you were a poster boy for maturity at 21?

My point was that it is so easy to cast stones at others, while neglecting to point that judgmental eye inwards.

Your sexual assault comment has been more or less Disproved something like 6 times by numerous sources.

If you wanna keep judging the kid for these "allegations", fine by me, but don't get your panties in a bunch when those of us that look at him for what he really seems to be. A 21 year old kid who's been thrown into the limelight while every single word he says, or action he displays is held under a microscope. More so, than any NFL draftee in history!

Hey, he may turn out to be a rip-roaring scumbag, but it's gonna take a lot more than what we've seen so far to get me to believe it.

In the mean time, I say give the kid a chance, before donning religious garb and heading out on a witch hunt.

I am not saying no one should give him a chance.

My point is that thousands of people make stupid decisions every day but when you are in the spotlight and already have allegations working against you, why do some of the things he did? You don't think that speaks AT ALL to his character?

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Jameis Winston incidents timeline:

Nov. 25, 2012: A woman calls 911 to report that there are two men on a bike path on the Florida StateUniversity campus with what appears to be a black, long-barreled pistol. Police respond and draw their guns as they approach Jameis Winston and his roommate and teammate, Chris Casher, and ultimately handcuff them. The two tell the officer they were shooting at squirrels with a pellet gun, and they are released without charges being filed.

Nov. 25, 2012: A few hours after the incident on the bike path, Winston, Casher and two other Florida State players, Mario Edwards and Kenneth “P.J.” Williams, allegedly engage in a BB- and pellet-gun battle at their apartment house, inflicting an estimated $4,000 in damage. Management at the apartment house declines to press criminal charges after an FSU athletic official vows that the players will pay for the damage.

Dec. 7, 2012: Winston is accused of raping a woman at his off-campus apartment. The woman reports the assault to police that day and five weeks later calls a detective and identifies Winston as her attacker after seeing him in a class. Tallahassee police drop the investigation, contending the woman has refused to cooperate, then revive it nine months later and sent it to State Attorney Willie Meggs. Meggs conducts a new investigation but concludes that there is not enough evidence to file criminal charges. Winston’s lawyer contends the sexual encounter was consensual. The U.S. Department of Education later launches a federal investigation of the school’s handling of the incident after questions arise about whether Florida State followed the provisions of Title IX, and in August 2014 the school launches an investigation of Winston under the student code of conduct.

July 21, 2013: Winston is accused of entering a Burger King in Tallahassee and helping himself to soda from the fountain machine without paying for it. A restaurant employee later tells police she gave Winston a cup of water but that he poured the water out and helped himself to several cups of soda despite her objections. No charges are filed.

April 29, 2014: Winston is accused of stealing $32.72 worth of crab legs from a Tallahassee supermarket. He is given a civil citation that allows him to perform community service and is suspended from the FSU baseball team until he completes that work. Winston tells police he “forgot” to pay for the crab legs and publicly apologizes.

May 20, 2014: Winston is expected at a code-of-conduct hearing for Chris Casher and Ronald Darby, two FSU teammates who alleged the witnessed a portion of the sexual encounter involving the quarterback and the woman who accused him of rape. They are both accused of violating school rules. Winston does not show up for the hearing, and his lawyer contends that no one from the school ever asked him to be there – something that is disputed by attorneys involved in the process. However, FSU officials later acknowledge that they have no way to force a witness to attend a code-of-conduct hearing.

Sept. 16, 2014: Winston is seen by several students jumping up on a table on campus and screaming a sexually charged expletive-laced phrase that was made popular on the internet. FSU head football coach Jimbo Fisher suspends Winston for the first half of the team’s upcoming game with Clemson, and school officials vow that he will be subject to “internal discipline” – most likely under the school’s code of conduct. Winston apologizes.

UPDATE FROM FOX SPORTS:

Oct. 13, 2014: ESPN reports that FSU's compliance department is investigating whether Winston accepted money in exchange for autographs. The university's athletic director issues a statement on Oct. 17, explaining that the compliance staff looking into whether Jameis Winston accepted unauthorized benefits for his autograph has "no information indicating that he accepted payment for items reported to bear his signature, thereby compromising his athletics eligibility."

In my eyes, this is a guy that feels a real sense of entitlement and doesn't know how to handle being in the spotlight off the field.

That is a disturbing pattern of bad behavior. Maybe several million dollars in his bank account will help him settle down.

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I am not saying no one should give him a chance.

My point is that thousands of people make stupid decisions every day but when you are in the spotlight and already have allegations working against you, why do some of the things he did? You don't think that speaks AT ALL to his character?

I really don't care if he's the second coming of the Almighty, as long as he stays outta jail and carries himself as he should while winning on the field. Again......the kid is 21 years old. I look back at myself at 21 and remember what a narcissistic little **** I was, so I'm not gonna judge him on his character until I see what he does as a professional.

Now had he been convicted of rape, we're talking an entirely different story. BUT...he wasn't. The victims claims have been disproven several times. As far as the other stuff you're holding his feet to the fire for...you can't possibly be so old that you don't remember what you were like at his age.wink.png

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I really don't care if he's the second coming of the Almighty, as long as he stays outta jail and carries himself as he should while winning on the field. Again......the kid is 21 years old. I look back at myself at 21 and remember what a narcissistic little **** I was, so I'm not gonna judge him on his character until I see what he does as a professional.

Now had he been convicted of rape, we're talking an entirely different story. BUT...he wasn't. The victims claims have been disproven several times. As far as the other stuff you're holding his feet to the fire for...you can't possibly be so old that you don't remember what you were like at his age.wink.png

Never seen so much good in a post, unless it's me posting. Haha
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I also wasn't projected to be the first pick in the NFL draft when I was 21 either. Get the point yet?

Didn't say he's made smart decisions. Simply saying, I'm not judging him on 'em until I see how he operates from here on out. Has he shown great character so far? No, but I'd rather have him and his crab legs and his pellet gun, than a kid that has a hard time speaking in public and getting his teammates fired up.

HeII, we may end up taking Mariota, in which case I'll be pretty bummed, but I'm still gonna pull for him to do well wherever he goes.

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I hope you have your knee pads handy if you ever meet Jameis. Dam you got a woody for him hard! laugh.png

I meet him, his SR year of HS. I have met and talked with him, a handful of times.

I seen him come from a cocky HS kid, to what he is now. A big difference, I will ALWAYS support him... Unless he's playing the Falcons..

I can't help that you want to hate him so bad, that everyone who "supports" him, needs knee pads...

Grow the fuq up guy, quit being a little *****.. What did Jaboo do to you?? Seems like he raped you, cause you being so anal about the guy...

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I meet him, his SR year of HS. I have met and talked with him, a handful of times.

I seen him come from a cocky HS kid, to what he is now. A big difference, I will ALWAYS support him... Unless he's playing the Falcons..

I can't help that you want to hate him so bad, that everyone who "supports" him, needs knee pads...

Grow the fuq up guy, quit being a little *****.. What did Jaboo do to you?? Seems like he raped you, cause you being so anal about the guy...

Jaboo? And you are telling ME to grow up? You've been slobbing on Winston's knob for months around here. I haven't been hating on the guy, I'm stating facts that you and others don't want to face. Frankly, I don't care but it's funny to see you guys try to spin it like you do.

Funny you mentioned RAPE in your post...laugh.png

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Jaboo? And you are telling ME to grow up? You've been slobbing on Winston's knob for months around here. I haven't been hating on the guy, I'm stating facts that you and others don't want to face. Frankly, I don't care but it's funny to see you guys try to spin it like you do.

Funny you mentioned RAPE in your post...laugh.png

Face it, you're rooting against the guy, that much is obvious. Rather than let it play out, you already seem to know he's a scumbag...or at least you THINK you know.

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Jaboo? And you are telling ME to grow up? You've been slobbing on Winston's knob for months around here. I haven't been hating on the guy, I'm stating facts that you and others don't want to face. Frankly, I don't care but it's funny to see you guys try to spin it like you do.

Funny you mentioned RAPE in your post...laugh.png

Jaboo, is his nick name! Did I come up with it? No... So, I need to grow up how??

I did mention rape... You keep bringing that, crab legs, and bb gun up... I was just under the assumption, that he must've raped you, cause you sure are buthurt!!!

And what he done in his past, equates to him being a "bust" or "all pro"... Just get your head out of Famous Jameis' ***, and you could think for yourself, instead of being a mediapuppet

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Face it, you're rooting against the guy, that much is obvious. Rather than let it play out, you already seem to know he's a scumbag...or at least you THINK you know.

I never said he was a scumbag. I am not rooting against the guy either (unless he playing against the Falcons). I just presented some facts about the guy.

Why you and MR. DB gettin' all butthurt?

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Jaboo, is his nick name! Did I come up with it? No... So, I need to grow up how??

I did mention rape... You keep bringing that, crab legs, and bb gun up... I was just under the assumption, that he must've raped you, cause you sure are buthurt!!!

And what he done in his past, equates to him being a "bust" or "all pro"... Just get your head out of Famous Jameis' ***, and you could think for yourself, instead of being a mediapuppet

I never said what he did in the past equates to anything more than bring up character questions. If you can't see how it would based on everything I have posted, then get up off your knees because even the higher ups in Tampa have concerns.

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I never said what he did in the past equates to anything more than bring up character questions. If you can't see how it would based on everything I have posted, then get up off your knees because even the higher ups in Tampa have concerns.

I'm standing ten toes tall bro... You the one that keeps referencing to knees!! Much practice??
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