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Ok, so last year, it came out that TD was close to moving up to#3 Jacksonville for our #1 glaring need, a franchise LT in Jake Matthews.

This year, we still pick top 10. We could move up for a franchise pass rusher, and it would not take a kings ransom like the Julio trade.

We have an even closer relationship with Jacksonville this year, due to the Quinn-Bradley connection.

TD has never been afraid to move up, especially for the player he likes most, at the position we need the most.

The far and a way best edge rusher in this draft, is Florida's Dante Fowler Jr. He led the NCAA in pressures and hurries. Has an array of pass rush moves, and has a non stop motor. Fowler is great in the the run game as well, and has prototypical size and length of an elite NFL pass rusher.

Here's where my argument comes in; Quinn and TD are keen on having a close, tight nit relationship. TD has never been afraid to move up, and actually more often than not, does so, for the highest position of need (Tru,Julio,Baker).

Quinn coached Dante Fowler Jr. at Florida, and both have a VERY high mutual respect for each other.

It would not take multiple picks to move up. Buffalo moved from 8 to 4 last year to grab Sammy Watkins, for the following years 1st round pick. Buffalo now has one of the best, young game changing WR's in the NFL.

I think that we could swap 1st round picks with Jacksonville, for just next years 1st, OR even just this years 2nd. While having that 2nd this year would be nice, it would allow us to get our franchise pass rusher, while also keeping next years draft picks completely stocked.

I see TD and Quinn actually making this happen on draft day. Quinn loves Fowler Jr., and TD has NEVER been shy to moving up. It could be a relatively cheap move up, considering we would be ensuring our franchise of it's key pass rusher for the next decade.

Fowler Jr. played at multiple different positions, and game weights throughout his career at UF. He is 20 yrs old, and just settling into his pass rushing body, and beginning to scratch the surface of his ridiculously high potential.

Trading next years 1st, would allow us to pull off a draft something like this:

1) Dante Fowler Jr. LEO Florida

2) Demarious Randall FS Arizona State

3) Duke Johnson RB Miami (FL)

4) Clive Walford TE Miami (FL)

5) Max Valles DE Virginia

6) DeAndre Smelter WR Georgia Tech

7) JaCorey Shepherd CB Kansas

7) LaDarius Gunter CB Miami (FL)

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I think we have to address the oline with atleast one pick. I think Ray is the better pass rusher of the two and it's a good possibility he would be there a 8. i wouldn't give up next years 1st for either of them though.

Would you give up this years 2nd? Unlike Ray, Fowler is also a dominant force in the run game, and has the size and technique to play every position along the line.
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I think we have to address the oline with atleast one pick. I think Ray is the better pass rusher of the two and it's a good possibility he would be there a 8. i wouldn't give up next years 1st for either of them though.

I do believe our OL is set, besides LG. That spot would be battled out by Baker/Person/Konz/Stone. Any of them would make formidable LGs in the OL friendly ZBS.
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I do believe our OL is set, besides LG. That spot would be battled out by Baker/Person/Konz/Stone. Any of them would make formidable LGs in the OL friendly ZBS.

i do agree that the zbs is oline friendly. But Baker isn't a guard and Konz is a bust, stone dosent have the athleticism, and persons has never been a full time starter.

Would you give up this years 2nd? Unlike Ray, Fowler is also a dominant force in the run game, and has the size and technique to play every position along the line.

Fowler is better in the run game right now. But Ray is a better pass rusher. They both will likely improve at their deficiencies and i'd be equally as happy with either guy. And yea I'd give up a future 2 in a heartbeat

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I do believe our OL is set, besides LG. That spot would be battled out by Baker/Person/Konz/Stone. Any of them would make formidable LGs in the OL friendly ZBS.

No Vic/Fowler/Gurley...Draft Scherff.

That LOG platoon makes me nauseous...Baker/Person/Konz/Stone.

Take Scherff, we have a day 1 starter...and good Oline depth.

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No Vic/Fowler/Gurley...Draft Scherff.

That LOG platoon makes me nauseous...Baker/Person/Konz/Stone.

Take Scherff, we have a day 1 starter...and good Oline depth.

And no lethal threat as a pass rusher, once again. For Quinn's defense to be at it's best, we need top notch edge rushers, who can pin thir ears back. Guards in the ZBS can be found in rounds 5-7. LG in the first would be ok, but Edge rusher comes first. Then FS and CB. We have no depth at CB. Move Southward there, and we have no starter at FS. Randall in the 2nd would be ideal for Quinn's fast, physical defense. Dude covers a lot of field in a hurry.
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And no lethal threat as a pass rusher, once again. For Quinn's defense to be at it's best, we need top notch edge rushers, who can pin thir ears back. Guards in the ZBS can be found in rounds 5-7. LG in the first would be ok, but Edge rusher comes first. Then FS and CB. We have no depth at CB. Move Southward there, and we have no starter at FS. Randall in the 2nd would be ideal for Quinn's fast, physical defense. Dude covers a lot of field in a hurry.

Falcons need to move up to get that pass rusher... too bad they went cheap in free agency and fans applauded. If Quinn says we nailed free agency, then pass rusher is not that desperate... Ray-low ceiling Gregory/Dupree-projects.

ZBS is not going to make questionable players solid locks at LG...Gurley is there, so is Scherff.

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Falcons need to move up to get that pass rusher... too bad they went cheap in free agency and fans applauded. If Quinn says we nailed free agency, then pass rusher is not that desperate... Ray-low ceiling Gregory/Dupree-projects.

ZBS is not going to make questionable players solid locks at LG...Gurley is there, so is Scherff.

I just would be very disappointed if we get a non pass rusher at 8, and DONT trade back into the first for Gregory or Harold.
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It would not take multiple picks to move up. Buffalo moved from 8 to 4 last year to grab Sammy Watkins, for the following years 1st round pick. Buffalo now has one of the best, young game changing WR's in the NFL.

I'm not a fan of trading future 1st round picks, because you don't know at which spot you'll draft.

I loved Sammy Watkins last year, but I didn't like Buffalo's trade to get him in so deep WR class (luckily for other teams they traded with Cleveland, who will most likely use that 1st rounder this year on another bust). They should stay where they were and take Beckham Jr.

This year is a deep DE class and I think Dan Quinn can find his pass rusher without trading up. And if Leonard Williams is there at #3 for the Jaguars I don't think Gus Bradley would even consider a trade. If not, he'll probably also like Fowler enough to draft him.

But anything can happen. It will be an interesting and unpredictable draft from #2 spot down for sure.

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We could keep our picks, take Gurley and double dip ERs in the next two rounds. Imagine:

1. Gurley

2. Kikaha

3. Mauldin

or

1. Gurley

2. Orchard

3. ZaDarius Smith

or

1. Gurley

2. Diggy

3. Flowers

To me, orchard has bust written all over him. Odighizuwa will be gone by 32. Kikaha has a scary injury history. I'm confident in saying that our 2nd should be used to move back into the 1st. Either for Marcus Peters or Eli Harold. I like Preston Smith. I am in love with Max Valles in 4th or 5th. Zach Hodges and Davis Tull are players I see with underrated upside, and day 1 readiness. I'm just terrified of putting Gurley behind a line that has a hole at LG, and a good, but kinda questionable RT. I like schareder, but idk if he's just the hyped up Worrilow or Bartu of offense. IMO, our 3 biggest needs are Elite edge, tall CB, and fast playmaking FS.
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Ok, so last year, it came out that TD was close to moving up to#3 Jacksonville for our #1 glaring need, a franchise LT in Jake Matthews.

This year, we still pick top 10. We could move up for a franchise pass rusher, and it would not take a kings ransom like the Julio trade.

We have an even closer relationship with Jacksonville this year, due to the Quinn-Bradley connection.

TD has never been afraid to move up, especially for the player he likes most, at the position we need the most.

The far and a way best edge rusher in this draft, is Florida's Dante Fowler Jr. He led the NCAA in pressures and hurries. Has an array of pass rush moves, and has a non stop motor. Fowler is great in the the run game as well, and has prototypical size and length of an elite NFL pass rusher.

Here's where my argument comes in; Quinn and TD are keen on having a close, tight nit relationship. TD has never been afraid to move up, and actually more often than not, does so, for the highest position of need (Tru,Julio,Baker).

Quinn coached Dante Fowler Jr. at Florida, and both have a VERY high mutual respect for each other.

It would not take multiple picks to move up. Buffalo moved from 8 to 4 last year to grab Sammy Watkins, for the following years 1st round pick. Buffalo now has one of the best, young game changing WR's in the NFL.

I think that we could swap 1st round picks with Jacksonville, for just next years 1st, OR even just this years 2nd. While having that 2nd this year would be nice, it would allow us to get our franchise pass rusher, while also keeping next years draft picks completely stocked.

I see TD and Quinn actually making this happen on draft day. Quinn loves Fowler Jr., and TD has NEVER been shy to moving up. It could be a relatively cheap move up, considering we would be ensuring our franchise of it's key pass rusher for the next decade.

Fowler Jr. played at multiple different positions, and game weights throughout his career at UF. He is 20 yrs old, and just settling into his pass rushing body, and beginning to scratch the surface of his ridiculously high potential.

Trading next years 1st, would allow us to pull off a draft something like this:

1) Dante Fowler Jr. LEO Florida

2) Demarious Randall FS Arizona State

3) Duke Johnson RB Miami (FL)

4) Clive Walford TE Miami (FL)

5) Max Valles DE Virginia

6) DeAndre Smelter WR Georgia Tech

7) JaCorey Shepherd CB Kansas

7) LaDarius Gunter CB Miami (FL)

No just say no......hello no

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Well, if Fowler turns out to be as good as you think he will be, then it's the right call. If he doesn't, it will be considered a terrible blunder 2 years from now, and it will set us back.

So, just how confident are we in Fowler truly being that good?

I don't like TD, but I acknowledge that he *knew* JJ was *that good*, and he was right (a lot of others knew it too). Do we have that level of confidence in Fowler?

Personally, since I'm not a scout, I cannot answer. But I'd only do it if I had that level of confidence that Fowler was going to be one of the best pass rushers in the NFL within 2 years.

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We could keep our picks, take Gurley and double dip ERs in the next two rounds. Imagine:

1. Gurley

2. Kikaha

3. Mauldin

or

1. Gurley

2. Orchard

3. ZaDarius Smith

or

1. Gurley

2. Diggy

3. Flowers

Though I am not a fan of drafting Gurley (INJURIES, INJURIES, INJURIES), double dipping for edge rushers is probably a very good idea.

The OP suggested that we might move up to take Fowler. Trading with Jax makes "sense" for us but not Jax. They run the same defense and are in need of a LEO. I just don't think that such a trade would work.

Further more, trading a future first rounder could prove to be disastrous. What if Ryan sustains a catastrophic injury this season? Our draft position would likely be at the very top and we would be in position to draft a successor.

No thanks, let's just stick with our pick and make the best choice.

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