JiveAF Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 How come a lot of us aren't talking about Nate Orchard? I haven't done a lot of research so I'm not sure if he's raw, injury prone, or just not good.. but he had like 18 sacks last season in college and his tape looks like he's good against the run as well?I think the deepest position in the draft is pass rusher. There are like 10 guys I think could come in and be good additions.. probably more. So would it be a bad idea to take the best player in the whole draft at a position of need [if the best pass rusher is gone] and then take a pass rusher in the 2nd?Aka, Williams, White/Cooper, top OL, etc.Then take a guy like Orchard?I don't see all of these guys being picked in the first; Beasley, Ray, Fowler, Armstead, Dupree, Gregory.. I see someone somehow falling. Someone we all expect to go in the 1st, will go in the second. [Hageman last year..even Louis Nix..] the draft is crazy.I dunno what I'm even typing about I'm just amped and impatient about the draft. The summary is, what's wrong with Orchard aka why isn't he mentioned around here a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) 40 YARD DASH: 4.80 SEC VERTICAL JUMP: 31.5 INCH BROAD JUMP: 115.0 INCH 3 CONE DRILL: 7.28 SEC 20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.43 SEC 60 YARD SHUTTLE: 12.06 SEC Edited April 18, 2015 by Faithful Falcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 He doesn't play well against the run. He's also still learning how to play his position. Similar to the guy from UCLA that played so well for Minnesota last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I like him. He's at eight in my top eight pass rushers. I like him more than Eli Harold who's expected to go in the late first. Not super quick but plays nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiveAF Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 I didn't like Barr last year but that was because I thought he was frail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Day Hoe Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Would love to have him on the team. He might be there in the second. I wouldn't be mad if we took back to back pass rushers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridder Me This Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 40 YARD DASH: 4.80 SEC VERTICAL JUMP: 31.5 INCH BROAD JUMP: 115.0 INCH 3 CONE DRILL: 7.28 SEC 20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.43 SEC 60 YARD SHUTTLE: 12.06 SECAdd in the production....looks a lot like Terrell Suggs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Sometimes you have to throw out measurables and look at production. Can a kid play? Is his game better suited to the pros? Nate Orchard can play. Its that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 When he isn't making a sack he's completely invisible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 When he isn't making a sack he's completely invisibleYou would think he would get more sacks being invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridder Me This Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 When he isn't making a sack he's completely invisibleNot a big fan of this thinking...when a CB doesn't make a PD or INT, he must be invisible, right? The ball wasn't thrown to that side right? The play wasn't run to that side right?I understand what you thinking, but to think a player will be involved in EVERY play is naive...if the guy was drafted in 2nd round as situational pass rusher with Schofield, and they combined for 16 sacks next year, with an improved run defense, but he only had 20 tackles...what would be your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) I cant see where the team has shown a lot of interest in those 2d round pass rushers. Edited April 18, 2015 by FentayeJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitown2ATL_Falcon Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 How come a lot of us aren't talking about Nate Orchard? I haven't done a lot of research so I'm not sure if he's raw, injury prone, or just not good.. but he had like 18 sacks last season in college and his tape looks like he's good against the run as well?I think the deepest position in the draft is pass rusher. There are like 10 guys I think could come in and be good additions.. probably more. So would it be a bad idea to take the best player in the whole draft at a position of need [if the best pass rusher is gone] and then take a pass rusher in the 2nd?Aka, Williams, White/Cooper, top OL, etc.Then take a guy like Orchard?I don't see all of these guys being picked in the first; Beasley, Ray, Fowler, Armstead, Dupree, Gregory.. I see someone somehow falling. Someone we all expect to go in the 1st, will go in the second. [Hageman last year..even Louis Nix..] the draft is crazy.I dunno what I'm even typing about I'm just amped and impatient about the draft. The summary is, what's wrong with Orchard aka why isn't he mentioned around here a lot?Defense wins championships, not offense! We will take a defensive player at #8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Not a big fan of this thinking...when a CB doesn't make a PD or INT, he must be invisible, right? The ball wasn't thrown to that side right? The play wasn't run to that side right?I understand what you thinking, but to think a player will be involved in EVERY play is naive...if the guy was drafted in 2nd round as situational pass rusher with Schofield, and they combined for 16 sacks next year, with an improved run defense, but he only had 20 tackles...what would be your thoughts?Completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Sometimes you have to throw out measurables and look at production. Can a kid play? Is his game better suited to the pros? Nate Orchard can play. Its that simple.This ^ absolutely......Orchard is not ripped nor a combine warrior....but he is a guy I would not be shocked to see out play a second round selection and make a big mark in the NFL ....he was the star of the Senior Bowl with Abdullah, both in practices and the game itself....I would not mind snagging him with our second...best overall production in the NCAA and Hendricks award winner........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman71 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Its all about production. I believe he can play in this league. 18 sacks dont happen by accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 We all tend to miss one thing about college players. Just because they were stars in college does not make them a player in the pros. You have to see if the traits they have transfer. Nate Orchard is a kid that can play the game of football. He isn't the fastest, or most explosive (a term I am beginning to hate). This kid gets in the back field and wraps up. Something we as a team have sucked battalions of lemons at recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 This ^ absolutely......Orchard is not ripped nor a combine warrior....but he is a guy I would not be shocked to see out play a second round selection and make a big mark in the NFL ....he was the star of the Senior Bowl with Abdullah, both in practices and the game itself....I would not mind snagging him with our second...best overall production in the NCAA and Hendricks award winner........Agree. Watch some video of this guy and he's a warrior. If he gets to the QB, you don't see him whiff very often, also he always goes for the ball when he gets hold of the QB and has a knack for working it loose. I'd love to have this dude in red and black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconcheff Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I'd love to add Orchard, but by my calculations he's a mid first rounder, which means he's not worth our first and won't be there for our second pick. Can't have ERRBODY, unfortunately...But if Nate is there by our second pick, I imagine we run to the podium for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Agree. Watch some video of this guy and he's a warrior. If he gets to the QB, you don't see him whiff very often, also he always goes for the ball when he gets hold of the QB and has a knack for working it loose. I'd love to have this dude in red and black.You watch him in the Senior Bowl Steve ? .....guy was the best player on the field ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 You watch him in the Senior Bowl Steve ? .....guy was the best player on the field ......Yep. He was beasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't think he fits Quinn's idea of big and fast. He's got okay size, but he's not too fast. Wouldn't mind him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) I love orchard in that second tier of pass rushing prospects. He has excellent hand usage and good short area quickness. He isn't a workout guy but has the necessary size to play with his hand in the dirt. His biggest question marks for me are motor as he seems to take plays off a bit and his level of competition.But either way you don't amass 19 sacks in a season without being a good pass rusher.I think he ends up going late first round early second and goes on to have a great bel career. To me he has a high floor the potential to have an all pro ceiling.If we missed on Ray I would take An offensive lineman and trade up with the pats to get him in the first. Edited April 19, 2015 by atlGM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I'd love to add Orchard, but by my calculations he's a mid first rounder, which means he's not worth our first and won't be there for our second pick. Can't have ERRBODY, unfortunately...But if Nate is there by our second pick, I imagine we run to the podium for him...me too if somehow he was still their at 42 I'd take him no matter what we Took in the first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't think he fits Quinn's idea of big and fast. He's got okay size, but he's not too fast. Wouldn't mind him though.This is a fair assessment in some ways. But Orchard also fits that tough, scrappy player that Seattle tends to like as well. guy that just gets it done, watch his games against Peat.IMO a guy like Orchard is worse case a core STeamer and rotational guy. At best you got a gem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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