Tevin Coleman Ran 4.4S

[MayorWest13]

Indiana RB Tevin Coleman ran "consistent 4.4s" in the forty-yard dash at his Pro Day on Wednesday.

One report had him at 4.35. Coleman has blinding straight-line speed and burst on game tape, so it's not surprising he ran well. Concerns on Coleman are his stiff hips and inability to churn out chain-moving gains. Working in Coleman's favor is big-play ability and pass-protection chops, which should get him on the field early in the NFL. He projects as an early second-round pick.

[Francis York Morgan]

Good player, but not a good fit for us imo.

[MayorWest13]

Good player, but not a good fit for us imo.

Why do you think that?

[gHost83]

Goes down with the slightest contact. Runs very upright. Reminds me a lot of Norwood, but not quite as fast. We need a bruiser. He would be a great fit for a team that will use screen passes and get him into space. Bucs maybe?

[citsalp]

Stiff hips, don't work in ZBS. You need a fluid, one cut RB. He will be fine just not in our new scheme. We already have a speedster on the roster A.Smith

[blkbigdog35]

Scouting report: Tevin Coleman http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tevin-coleman?id=2552453

5'11" 206 lbs

32" arm length

8 5/8 hands

OVERVIEW

Had a breakout 2014 season. Consensus first-team All-American. Selected first-team All-Big Ten and Doak Walker (nation's top RB) finalist. Became third player in Big 10 history with 2,000 rushing yards in a single season (Larry Johnson, Melvin Gordon). Set school record with 2,036 rushing yards, including 307 rushing yards vs. Rutgers. In 2013, selected honorable mention All-Big Ten after missing the final three games with an ankle injury. Averaged 106.4 rushing yards per game. In 2012, led team with 566 kickoff-return yards, including a 96-yard TD. First-team All-State running back, but also played wide receiver and cornerback in high school. Was born 10 weeks early and weighed 3 1/2 pounds. Doctors gave him a 20 percent chance of survival.

PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.4 and 4.39 seconds ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Decisive north-south runner. Outstanding three-step burst into second level. Fearless between the tackles. Has dangerous jump-cut to instantly change gaps and ruin the plans of linebackers. Stays square to the line and is always in ready position to hit turbo. Fluid and flexible lower body with elite one-cut ability and natural change-of-direction talent without gearing down. Violent run finisher. Will duck shoulder and throw heavy forearm into tackler to prove a point. Not a content runner -- doesn't like to give in. Capable hands out of backfield and willing to square up and engage pass rushers on pass plays. Hits top speed so quickly that safeties and linebackers repeatedly take poor angles, leading to long touchdowns. Half of his 28 career rushing touchdowns were of 43-plus yards, including eight of 64-plus yards. WEAKNESSES Treats every carry like a sprint. Must improve run tempo and patience on stretch plays. Has to learn when to keep run play-side and improve patience to allow back-side cutback lanes to develop. Can improve as receiver out of backfield. Wasn't always in position to scan defense on screen passes, resulting in lost yardage. Pad level often a little high into contact. Not much of a tackle-breaker and allows his base to get too narrow, giving defenders a chance to end play prematurely. Less creative than most of the top-level backs in this draft. DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2 or 3 NFL COMPARISON Darren McFadden BOTTOM LINE

His violent running style is a joy to watch, but might have to be tempered to extend his career. He is a "race car in the red" on just about every snap and refuses to give in, which leads to many big runs. The biggest concern for teams about Coleman is the uncertainty about whether he can become a more patient runner and improve as a tackle-breaker. Has the burst and top-end speed to be a game-changing running back for a team looking for a workhorse.

[Francis York Morgan]

Stiff hips, don't work in ZBS. You need a fluid, one cut RB. He will be fine just not in our new scheme. We already have a speedster on the roster A.Smith

This. There's flexibility to some degree, but most of the RBs in ZBS - especially the ones the Shannys run - have certain traits. Patience, vision, explosive cutting ability, quick decision making, cutback ability, balance, quick feet. I don't think he has what it takes to let holes develop and then hit them hard. He either tap dances or charges on through. He just isn't a good fit at all. A lot of faster backs are actually a bad fit, depending on their running style.

[g-dawg]

How many RBs have the Falcons worked out? seems like we have not heard about Falcons and RBs lately, right?

[LADBABY]

This is my pick at RB in this draft. He gets "the LADBABY seal of

approval". He is is not Norwood but he knows how to take it to the

house.

[citsalp]

This. There's flexibility to some degree, but most of the RBs in ZBS - especially the ones the Shannys run - have certain traits. Patience, vision, explosive cutting ability, quick decision making, cutback ability, balance, quick feet. I don't think he has what it takes to let holes develop and then hit them hard. He either tap dances or charges on through. He just isn't a good fit at all. A lot of faster backs are actually a bad fit, depending on their running style.

Couldn't have said it better.

[blkbigdog35]

How many RBs have the Falcons worked out? seems like we have not heard about Falcons and RBs lately, right?

As far as I know for the moment it's been Mike Davis and Ameer Abdullah.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/4/14/8413607/atlanta-falcons-ameer-abdullah-workout-nfl-draft-2015

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/4/2/8334957/falcons-to-workout-south-carolina-rb-mike-davis

[g-dawg]

As far as I know for the moment it's been Mike Davis and Ameer Abdullah.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/20i15/4/14/8413607/atlanta-falcons-ameer-abdullah-workout-nfl-draft-2015

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/4/2/8334957/falcons-to-workout-south-carolina-rb-mike-davis

yeah that is not many. of course you hear all the time after the draft about these secret workouts of a player selected. seems like we are working a lot of 2nd/3rd CB/FS. At this point seems like RB might be 4th-7th rd pick. again, just spitballin' here.

[youngbloodz]

As far as I know for the moment it's been Mike Davis and Ameer Abdullah.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/4/14/8413607/atlanta-falcons-ameer-abdullah-workout-nfl-draft-2015

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/4/2/8334957/falcons-to-workout-south-carolina-rb-mike-davis

Atlanta worked out Duke Johnson when they were in Coral Gables

[ATL_DirtyBirds]

I'm an Indiana fan and I can tell you that he is similar to antone in that every game he has multiple big rushes. He hits the holes hard and although he doesn't have much wiggle, he is a great one cut back that will get what is taken to him. Hearing you guys say that he can't break any contact is a lie. I can tell you that he has the ability to break tackles and also run away from tackles.

I don't think there was a player more keyed on than tevin. Indiana started a 5th string an for over half the season and were only getting about 29 yards a game passing. However, tevin was still able to get yards and be literally the entire offense against loaded boxes.

Flat out he has the determination and skill set to become one of the top runners in the league. Coming from Indiana hurts him, but he will be a star for someone. I hope for us.

[blkbigdog35]

yeah that is not many. of course you hear all the time after the draft about these secret workouts of a player selected. seems like we are working a lot of 2nd/3rd CB/FS. At this point seems like RB might be 4th-7th rd pick. again, just spitballin' here.

I have been thinking maybe 3rd if they really want there guy.

[RYNE]

I have a feeling we are really into Coleman

[blkbigdog35]

Atlanta worked out Duke Johnson when they were in Coral Gables

Thanks forgot about Duke.

[blkbigdog35]

I'm an Indiana fan and I can tell you that he is similar to antone in that every game he has multiple big rushes. He hits the holes hard and although he doesn't have much wiggle, he is a great one cut back that will get what is taken to him. Hearing you guys say that he can't break any contact is a lie. I can tell you that he has the ability to break tackles and also run away from tackles.

I don't think there was a player more keyed on than tevin. Indiana started a 5th string an for over half the season and were only getting about 29 yards a game passing. However, tevin was still able to get yards and be literally the entire offense against loaded boxes.

Flat out he has the determination and skill set to become one of the top runners in the league. Coming from Indiana hurts him, but he will be a star for someone. I hope for us.

The tackle breaking issue was mentioned in the scouting report I posted. Just wanted to provide it for us who weren't familiar with him.

[Francis York Morgan]

yeah that is not many. of course you hear all the time after the draft about these secret workouts of a player selected. seems like we are working a lot of 2nd/3rd CB/FS. At this point seems like RB might be 4th-7th rd pick. again, just spitballin' here.

RB: Kenny Hilliard (Shrine) , Zach Zenner (Shrine) , Corey Grant (proday) , Terrell Watson (workout) , Synjyn Days (proday) , David Cobb (meeting) , Todd Gurley (proday) , Jay Ajayi (met) , Mike Davis (workout/visit) , Ameer Abdullah (met/workout) , Duke Johnson (workout) , John Crockett (meeting)

[Clark Kent™]

I'm an Indiana fan and I can tell you that he is similar to antone in that every game he has multiple big rushes. He hits the holes hard and although he doesn't have much wiggle, he is a great one cut back that will get what is taken to him. Hearing you guys say that he can't break any contact is a lie. I can tell you that he has the ability to break tackles and also run away from tackles.

I don't think there was a player more keyed on than tevin. Indiana started a 5th string an for over half the season and were only getting about 29 yards a game passing. However, tevin was still able to get yards and be literally the entire offense against loaded boxes.

Flat out he has the determination and skill set to become one of the top runners in the league. Coming from Indiana hurts him, but he will be a star for someone. I hope for us.

This ^

He is my fav RB in the draft. I also don't agree with the idea that he won't fit a ZBS because of his stiff hips. You don't need to have LeSean Mccoys hips to run in a ZBS. There is really not a lot of guys that you can say absolutely won't fit a ZBS scheme or a man scheme.

To me the perfect comparison is Jamaal Charles. He can break tackles, but he won't be powering through people often. More like shaking tacklers off. His acceleration is better than any RB in this draft. He makes safeties look absolutely ridiculous because of how fast he accelerates it makes them take horrible angles.

I am anticipating him being selected in the mid 2nd to very early 3rd so we prob won't get him.

[Knight of God]

Stiff hips, don't work in ZBS. You need a fluid, one cut RB. He will be fine just not in our new scheme. We already have a speedster on the roster A.Smith

You should have all of that, but if it were 100% a need, most of what Mike and Kyle have put there would not work. You have to have vision and feet. Helps if you can break an arm tackle.

[Francis York Morgan]

This ^

He is my fav RB in the draft. I also don't agree with the idea that he won't fit a ZBS because of his stiff hips. You don't need to have LeSean Mccoys hips to run in a ZBS. There is really not a lot of guys that you can say absolutely won't fit a ZBS scheme or a man scheme.

To me the perfect comparison is Jamaal Charles. He can break tackles, but he won't be powering through people often. More like shaking tacklers off. His acceleration is better than any RB in this draft. He makes safeties look absolutely ridiculous because of how fast he accelerates it makes them take horrible angles.

I am anticipating him being selected in the mid 2nd to very early 3rd so we prob won't get him.

Can you give a good reason for him working in this scheme? He doesn't have patience or vision and that's really not something you can argue imo, there are plenty of times where he just plows right into a blocker. You never see him set up blocks because he doesn't really have to...but that's so important in the ZBS. Hits the hole at one speed. And calling him a "one-cut back" is so far off. He isn't that at all. I know it's a fun phrase to throw around, but it doesn't fit his running style, he's not the type to wait for a hole and then make his cut and shoot through it. He's perfect for a power scheme...run behind blockers, see daylight, whoosh, gone in a flash, and don't even think about trying to catch up. I agree to an extent that he can break tackles, but it's not his specialty or anything, he's just able to run through arm tackles and fall forward. Which is good.

I just can't see him doing well here at all. I bet Freeman would beat him out honestly. This coming from someone who thinks Coleman could easily start if he gets drafted somewhere else.

[Clark Kent™]

Can you give a good reason for him working in this scheme? He doesn't have patience or vision and that's really not something you can argue imo, there are plenty of times where he just plows right into a blocker. You never see him set up blocks because he doesn't really have to...but that's so important in the ZBS. Hits the hole at one speed. And calling him a "one-cut back" is so far off. He isn't that at all. I know it's a fun phrase to throw around, but it doesn't fit his running style, he's not the type to wait for a hole and then make his cut and shoot through it. He's perfect for a power scheme...run behind blockers, see daylight, whoosh, gone in a flash, and don't even think about trying to catch up. I agree to an extent that he can break tackles, but it's not his specialty or anything, he's just able to run through arm tackles and fall forward. Which is good.

I just can't see him doing well here at all. I bet Freeman would beat him out honestly. This coming from someone who thinks Coleman could easily start if he gets drafted somewhere else.

I think he has plenty of patience and vision. I think he may need to improve on them some, but its not to the point where i think anyone should realistically believe that he won't be good in a ZBS. And i think he absolutely is a one cut back. If he isn't a one cut back then what is he? He isn't a power back or an open field back.

edit: Lance Zierlein said this about him.

"He is a 'race car in the red' on just about every snap and refuses to give in, which leads to many big runs," Zierlein wrote. "Zone, gap, power ... it doesn't really matter because Coleman can fit all schemes. Has the burst and top-end speed to be a game-changing running back for a team looking for a workhorse."

[Francis York Morgan]

I think he has plenty of patience and vision. I think he may need to improve on them some, but its not to the point where i think anyone should realistically believe that he won't be good in a ZBS. And i think he absolutely is a one cut back. If he isn't a one cut back then what is he? He isn't a power back or an open field back.

Please feel free to show me examples of his patience and vision, I'm fine with being proven wrong. I don't really like putting backs in little boxes like "power back" and "open field back" and "one cut back" or "receiving back." Power back is not exclusionary of being a one cut back. Todd Gurley is both, Arian Foster is both, Marshawn Lynch is both. When I hear one-cut back I think about someone who is fairly patient, then explodes through the hole on a cut. He doesn't make "cuts" hardly at all. Does he even make jump cuts? Just runs through the hole. Doesn't set defenders up. With a lot of the ZBS guys that did well after college, I'll see them position the linebackers, so to speak, with the way they run, so that they take the LB out of the play. I've never seen Coleman do that.

But again, feel free to link me gifs disproving that. I'm not saying he doesn't have any vision at all, I mean the dude's a RB. But vision is the single most important thing in a ZBS and his is mediocre. And he has zero patience lol come on dude. I like him but nah, not at all. Every RB is different, but he's a McFadden type back if there ever was one.

[Clark Kent™]

Please feel free to show me examples of his patience and vision, I'm fine with being proven wrong. I don't really like putting backs in little boxes like "power back" and "open field back" and "one cut back" or "receiving back. Power back is not exclusionary of being a one cut back. Todd Gurley is both, Arian Foster is both, Marshawn Lynch is both. When I hear one-cut back I think about someone who is fairly patient, then explodes through the hole on a cut. He doesn't make "cuts" hardly at all. Does he even make jump cuts? Just runs through the hole. Doesn't set defenders up. With a lot of the ZBS guys that did well after college, I'll see them position the linebackers, so to speak, with the way they run, so that they take the LB out of the play in a way. I've never seen Coleman do that.

But again, feel free to link me gifs disproving that. I'm not saying he doesn't have any vision at all, I mean the dude's a RB. But vision is the single most important thing in a ZBS and his is mediocre. And he has zero patience lol come on dude. I like him but nah, not at all. Every RB is different, but he's a McFadden type back if there ever was one.

I have no idea how to make gifs, but here is one example. Fast Forward to 4:38. Perfect example of him setting up defenders like the LB on this play. Then exploded up the sideline for the TD.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/tevin-coleman-vs-ohio-state-2014/

I'm not saying that Coleman is a patient runner, but he has enough patience and can improve his patience. You can't teach acceleration and that kind of speed, but you can teach the little bit of patience that he will need to maximize his play