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The Pros And Cons Of Our Choice Of Pass Rushers


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Falcoholic had a good write up on our platter of pass rushers. I agreed with pretty much everything said, and their rankings:

1) Beasley

2) Gregory

3) Dupree

4) Fowler

5) Ray

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/4/15/8256627/examining-the-pros-cons-and-fit-of-early-draft-pass-rushers

I think Beasley is clear and away the best choice for the LEO position, but I'd be happy as **** with Gregory or Dupree.

Fowler and Ray are huge what ifs to me.... I don't like them but we could do worse, I guess.

What say you? Do you agree with the rankings? If not, what are yours?

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I think you could make a case for either one of them, whether on our squad or someone else's. My current rank for the Falcons is:



1) Fowler


2) Beasley


3) Ray


4) Gregory


5) Dupree



I would go to another position, either WR, OT, CB or RB, if Fowler and Beasley are gone. Somebody in that second to third round pass rushing group will out play a couple of them. Maybe Harold, Orchard, Kikaha, Mauldin, Flowers or Hunter


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I'd go Beasley, Fowler, Ray, Gregory, Dupree. I've been watching a little more on Shane Ray today, I think people are crazy thinking we'll draft Dupree over him. He's an almost perfect LEO for this scheme.

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Can someone explain Fowler to me? I just don't see the hype.

I'd take him over Beasley. More complete player. Should be strong in the run game and be able to get after the pass rusher. Knows the system. Can play four or five positions. Here's some info:

6'3" 261 lbs

Fowler put together an excellent Combine. He ran well with a 4.61-second time in the 40-yard dash, plus recorded one of the fastest times in the first 10 yards of any front-seven defender at 1.59 seconds. In the field drills, Fowler showed he had quick feet and athleticism. Sources say they were impressed with Fowler in the meetings and he has good leadership and character.

STRENGTHS: Values lies with his versatility. Depending on the situation the Gators line him up at RDE, LDE, DT, and OLB, ask him to rush from the two-point and three-point stance and occasionally drop him into coverage -- including after he has started the play with his hand in the dirt. Lined up primarily in the "BUCK" linebacker spot in 2014, and is best suited for a 3-4 base defense at the next level where he can disrupt the edge with his aggressive hands and explosive lower body. Fowler's light feet and fluid athleticism belie his powerful, compact frame and make him a tough matchup. He is an energetic defender with above average get-off quickness and the athletic traits that make him a nuisance to block in space.

WEAKNESSES: To take the next step, Fowler must continue to get stronger at the point of attack and show improved recognition, as too often he charges into the backfield only to allow the ballcarrier to slip past him. Compares To: Terrell Suggs, Baltimore Ravens -- Like the 6-3, 260 pound Suggs, Fowler lacks ideal length for some schemes but he's a passionate, productive edge rusher with Pro Bowl upside.

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Fowler has the combo of size, strength, and quick twitch.

Beasley is a better PR, but lacks the size(length). Fowler didn't get the same opportunity to pin his ears back all the time. Because of how Fowler was used, you're not gonna see as many PR highlights and his numbers aren't as impressive.

If Fowler was used like Beasley, as a PR specialist, how would he compare? My take is that he would be a hair below Beasley rushing the passer, but way better in run defense, coverage, and aligned as a traditional DE.

I started out meh on Gregory. Began liking him more and more as I saw how he was used and noticed that when he was in pure PR mode he was a monster. He is probably my favorite. He is versatile like Fowler, only his versatility could allow him to play LB more so than DL. He is IMO the perfect LEO.

I do agree that Beasley is the best PR. But these other guys didn't get the same opportunity he had and I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out better.

Ray is the wildcard for me. He doesn't compare to the rest athletically. Still, he has that dog in him. How do you measure a man's will? IMO he works too hard to be a bust and is actually a very safe pick. But I don't know yet if he has the ceiling of these other guys.

Can't put Dupree in with these guys. That would be valuing the combine over these guys actual work on film. I don't subscribe to that philosophy.

I'd go Fowler, Gregory, Beasley, Ray. But the truth is whoever Quinn likes will be good with me.

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I'd take him over Beasley. More complete player. Should be strong in the run game and be able to get after the pass rusher. Knows the system. Can play four or five positions. Here's some info:

6'3" 261 lbs

Fowler put together an excellent Combine. He ran well with a 4.61-second time in the 40-yard dash, plus recorded one of the fastest times in the first 10 yards of any front-seven defender at 1.59 seconds. In the field drills, Fowler showed he had quick feet and athleticism. Sources say they were impressed with Fowler in the meetings and he has good leadership and character.

STRENGTHS: Values lies with his versatility. Depending on the situation the Gators line him up at RDE, LDE, DT, and OLB, ask him to rush from the two-point and three-point stance and occasionally drop him into coverage -- including after he has started the play with his hand in the dirt. Lined up primarily in the "BUCK" linebacker spot in 2014, and is best suited for a 3-4 base defense at the next level where he can disrupt the edge with his aggressive hands and explosive lower body. Fowler's light feet and fluid athleticism belie his powerful, compact frame and make him a tough matchup. He is an energetic defender with above average get-off quickness and the athletic traits that make him a nuisance to block in space.

WEAKNESSES: To take the next step, Fowler must continue to get stronger at the point of attack and show improved recognition, as too often he charges into the backfield only to allow the ballcarrier to slip past him. Compares To: Terrell Suggs, Baltimore Ravens -- Like the 6-3, 260 pound Suggs, Fowler lacks ideal length for some schemes but he's a passionate, productive edge rusher with Pro Bowl upside.

If there's anyone in this draft that compares to Suggs, it's Ray.

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Rankings in terms of film:

1)Gregory 2) Beasley 3)Ray 4) Fowler 5) Dupree

Rankings in terms of my overall projection and wants in this draft:

1)Beasley 2)Dupree after a trade back 3)Gregory if its after pick 15 or we get good value for a trade back 4)top OL 5)BPA

Gregory is a huge concern for me. On film he is a more complete player than any of these guys, but I don't see his ability translating well to the NFL level. Couple that with his weed dependency and it's enough for me to pass on him for the entire first round. He has 1st round talent, but has 2nd round risk. No to Fowler and Ray unless it's the 3rd round.

EDIT: But DQ is the expert. If he see's what I can't see in one of these guys then I'm fine with it. If it doesn't work out and I turn out to be right, I'll be pissed.

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MSN Sports has posted a 2015 2-round draft in which they mention that in addition to Gregory's other issues, there is an implied weight loss issue that teams are aware of but not a lot of public press. Don't know what it's all about but they have us picking Dupree in the 1st and Ameer Abdulla in the 2nd.

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After you list the order, view it before posting. This kind of thread will definitely get bumped three years from now.

Who will be right? We shall see. I still think someone taken below them will out perform.

It will be interesting. Somebody will hit the nail on the head, like the guy that predicted every win and loss on our 2009 schedule correctly.

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