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http://www.rosstucker.com/wp/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/

Very good listen

Sidenote... John Harbaugh talked about Shane Ray in there predraft press conference yesterday

(HARBAUGH) “Well, it’s timely. Ozzie came in … I was on the treadmill earlier than Ozzie today – Ozzie is in there early, man. We had a conversation about Shane Ray, which is kind of intriguing. We both like him. What jumps out first of all is his motor, right? This guy has an unbelievable motor. He’s going to get plenty of NFL sacks just because he’s going to keep coming relentlessly. And then he’s a leverage rusher with subtle speed to work the edges. He can work the edge of an offensive tackle like few other guys. So, he’s an interesting guy. The second part of it, that probably goes to Eric.”

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I saw on NFLN that the Ravens are really high on Ray.

Ozzie really likes him.

They probably view him as Suggs eventual replacement.

Glad you said that and again

From John Clayton
March 26, 2003

Suggs' workout hurt draft stock

Terrell Suggs didn't help his draft stock with his Wednesday workout at Arizona State. He ran a 4.8, 4.86 and 4.9 40 and weighed 257 pounds. He had a nine-foot broadjump and 32 1/2-inch vertical. Had Suggs, a defensive end, run in the 4.7 range, he might have been a top three pick. Now, he has teams wondering if he's quick enough off the corner in the NFL as a pass-rusher.

film trumps all you dont want a slow guy but you can tell football speed looking at a guy play

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Cossell believes

Beasley will get pushed around.

Gregory is often late off snap. But killed Ereck Flowers (for that debate that said Flowers handled Gregory)

Questions about where to play Ray and his flexibility.

Dupree compares to Jamie Collins.

There is a reason why Gregory is late off the snap. There is no way that you can be the first off the snap when you are reading the OT. When he is reading the ball, he is actually pretty quick off the snap. He reads the OT because his coach tells him to. He has a lot of discipline.

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It's halirious how if any media member or coach says something half the board automatically changes there view point to what was said. Yall need to watch tape form your own opinion and go with it.

Yep......yepper indeed.....I trust what KOG says much more than any of these media fluffer boys........

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There is a reason why Gregory is late off the snap. There is no way that you can be the first off the snap when you are reading the OT. When he is reading the ball, he is actually pretty quick off the snap. He reads the OT because his coach tells him to. He has a lot of discipline.

Pretty much, yeah. If he can clean up his technique and add 20 lbs, he'll be the most complete defensive stud this draft, even over Beasley. Debatable whether he can be a better pass rusher though, and he does have both injury history and a history of failed drug tests (yes, a history, even before the combine). So there's some risk involved.

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Greg Cosell can evaluate players 100x better than you can. If Greg Cosell says that Gregory is a high first round talent, then he's a high first round talent. End of story.

Greg Cosell thinks Gregory is late of the snap when it's clear as day he's reading the tackle. If he can't see that then I don't know what to say.

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Greg Cosell can evaluate players 100x better than you can. If Greg Cosell says that Gregory is a high first round talent, then he's a high first round talent. End of story.

Gregory fkng sucks.......these guys are no better or worse at talent eval than many guys at TATF, never included myself in that group....you sir are a blind sheeple that eats what these guys feed you.......you should read my thread of Mel Kipers biggest brain farts and quotes of shame......

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Gregory fkng sucks.......these guys are no better or worse at talent eval than many guys at TATF, never included myself in that group....you sir are a blind sheeple that eats what these guys feed you.......you should read my thread of Mel Kipers biggest brain farts and quotes of shame......

Why does Gregory suck? Just curious.

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Greg Cosell thinks Gregory is late of the snap when it's clear as day he's reading the tackle. If he can't see that then I don't know what to say.

It's a fair point to say he was doing tackle reads but can he reliably and consistently perform the more aggressive reads. We know that Beasley and Ray can. Dupree looks like he may be pretty good at it too. In the end it will be about what Quinn wants.

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Well he is late off the snap a lot but that's usually by design as you said.

If want to discredit Cosell based on that then you obviously don't know who Greg Cosell is and the expertise he brings to the table. The only people that can challenge Cosell on player evaluations are Mike Mayock or people making the big bucks (GMs, high level scouts, NFL coaches).

The biggest problem is his consistency with it. He actually is pretty slow off the snap sometimes even when reading the tackle, everyone's just taking that film room vid as gospel. There'll be plays where he explodes off, others where he doesn't at all and it doesn't match up with the tackle necessarily either. But once he gets that consistency down he'll be fine in that facet.

if we draft him I will destroy my Falcon cave in an orgy of rage....

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