Andras Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If the guy didn't hear the officer what prompted him to turn around? Why didn't he stop walking and try to figure out why the cop had a gun drawn on him? Guy turns around with his hands in his pockets, officer is in a bad spot there. It would be nice to be able to know the guy was unarmed but that's not possible. That's my first thoughts from the video. I'd have to know the context of the incident which the op page doesn't give... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 How insightful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If the guy didn't hear the officer what prompted him to turn around? Why didn't he stop walking and try to figure out why the cop had a gun drawn on him? Guy turns around with his hands in his pockets, officer is in a bad spot there. It would be nice to be able to know the guy was unarmed but that's not possible. That's my first thoughts from the video. I'd have to know the context of the incident which the op page doesn't give...He had his hands in his waist band and partially lifted his shirt. Bottom line though, is that the guy turned around to the guy pointing a gun at him and screaming. We've trained our police force to have itchy trigger fingers and a shock and awe approach to dealing with suspects. There's a reason why our police force had more documented kills in a month or two than some countries have had over several decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joremarid Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If the guy didn't hear the officer what prompted him to turn around? Why didn't he stop walking and try to figure out why the cop had a gun drawn on him? Guy turns around with his hands in his pockets, officer is in a bad spot there. It would be nice to be able to know the guy was unarmed but that's not possible. That's my first thoughts from the video. I'd have to know the context of the incident which the op page doesn't give...was the officer justified in his actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 He had his hands in his waist band and partially lifted his shirt. Bottom line though, is that the guy turned around to the guy pointing a gun at him and screaming. We've trained our police force to have itchy trigger fingers and a shock and awe approach to dealing with suspects. There's a reason why our police force had more documented kills in a month or two than some countries have had over several decades.I don't disagree that there's a problem, I'm just not certain that this one incident is one of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 was the officer justified in his actions?As the last sentence of my post said "I'd have to know the context" before answering that question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Same old pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shc Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 But you can clearly see why! If the man was a black male charging that cop, I can guarantee the policeman would have emptied the clip on him!Sadly, the police apologists are all focusing on the fact that you said clip instead of magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Flop Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I think a big part of the problem is the push to hire large amounts of cops by politicians. You don't hire a hundred thousand people and maintain a high standard. However, you do succeed at adding nice chunk of voters who owe their jobs to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Or the problem is weak training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Flop Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Or the problem is weak training.The two are intertwined. If you are currently hiring ten thousand new people a year and then boost that up to one hundred thousand, who trains the extra ninety thousand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 The two are intertwined. If you are currently hiring ten thousand new people a year and then boost that up to one hundred thousand, who trains the extra ninety thousand?Except that cops aren't in high supply. We've been cutting their benefits and cutting manpower. Pulling excuses out of your butt may sound good but it doesn't really prove anything when it's not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenFalconsWin Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 The two are intertwined. If you are currently hiring ten thousand new people a year and then boost that up to one hundred thousand, who trains the extra ninety thousand?In today's atmosphere who would want to be a police officer? The vets know how bad it is out there now and they are just trying to ride this thing out until retirement. Maybe people who study criminology might want to pursue other avenues in police work like being a detective, police forensic analysts, a profiler, but a beat Officer, no way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Flop Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Except that cops aren't in high supply. We've been cutting their benefits and cutting manpower. Pulling excuses out of your butt may sound good but it doesn't really prove anything when it's not true.Is that a fact? Are you saying that we have lowered the number of police officers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) Is that a fact? Are you saying that we have lowered the number of police officers?It's not a secret that police departments are overworked and undermanned. What country have you been living in? Edited June 14, 2015 by Ösiris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grrrillapmpn Inc.® Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 In today's atmosphere who would want to be a police officer? The vets know how bad it is out there now and they are just trying to ride this thing out until retirement. Maybe people who study criminology might want to pursue other avenues in police work like being a detective, police forensic analysts, a profiler, but a beat Officer, no way! So how bad is it out there? How many officers have been gunned down by civilians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenFalconsWin Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 So how bad is it out there? How many officers have been gunned down by civilians?That happens but that was not the point I was trying to convey. I don't know what you do for a living but imagine every move you made at work was gone over with a fine tooth comb with people that are looking for the smallest infraction of your daily routine in order to get you fired? That is where i was going with the previous statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 A lot of "beat" officers aren't there by choice. They're either there because they are incapable of promotions, department politics or they're just new.It's rather foolish to think officers are typically choosing to be a patrolman as their career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grrrillapmpn Inc.® Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 We all have pressures at work. That is a really weak excuse. In fact, I work in that exact circumstance and never once has it caused me to be sofa king stressed that I'd behave like an animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 And everyone in a police department SHOULD have their work combed. They're public servants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenFalconsWin Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 We all have pressures at work. That is a really weak excuse.In fact, I work in that exact circumstance and never once has it caused me to be sofa king stressed that I'd behave like an animal.Not saying they are perfect but most our jobs do not entail such pressure. I think you will see less and less people wanting to be police officers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If they can't handle the pressures of scrutiny in the office, it's good that they aren't on the street with weapons dealing with the pressures of the street. Working as intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenFalconsWin Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If they can't handle the pressures of scrutiny in the office, it's good that they aren't on the street with weapons dealing with the pressures of the street. Working as intended.Agreed, those are the ones we need to get off the street sooner rather than later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Ocean Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 There's not a lot of jobs anymore for people without education or marketable skills, so I don't think the labor pool for cops is gonna dry up anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grrrillapmpn Inc.® Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Never called for civilians to gun down police. Said it wouldn't stop until we treat them like they treat us. Shut your stupidass up. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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