PokerSteve Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Want some more perspective on how the new alliance between TD, Pioli and Quinn will shape our 2015 draft selection? This article goes into pretty good depth concerning said selection process.Link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2410972-what-recent-history-suggests-about-the-atlanta-falcons-2015-nfl-draft-plan?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=atlanta-falconsThe Atlanta Falcons will have a unique 2015 draft plan from what they had from 2008-2014 because of new head coach Dan Quinn. On top of that, Thomas Dimitroff has had some of his scouting duties delegated to Scott Pioli as part of the offseason restructuring.That being said, the Falcons will still be using analytics to determine who to draft. Quinn will have an impact on who will be selected because of how the Falcons have a synergistic attitude from the top down. They'll still be focused on the explosiveness and scheme fits that Dimitroff has always looked for.Atlanta will also be very likely to trade. Dimitroff has been an extremely predictable general manager when it comes to his draft picks in the first round, as he's focused on need and scheme fit. It would be unlikely for that to change regardless of how the "final say" structure has changed. Daniel Shirey/Getty Images Drafting Explosive Athletes and Dan Quinn's ImpactThe Falcons may have already tipped their hand a bit when they made their free-agent signings that they were looking for more explosive and athletic players. Coach Quinn coming from Seattle where they love using SPARQ ratings to sort athletes into their best possible spots will come into play.The Adrian Clayborn, Brooks Reed and O'Brien Schofield signings added much better pass-rush talent to a team that needed it, while also bringing in more athletic players to help set and shut down the edges. Before they were signed, the Falcons didn't have anyone that was truly athletic coming off the edge.Zach Whitman of Field Gulls and 3-Sigma Athlete is one of the leading experts who answered a couple of questions about how his pSPARQ variable worked and how the Falcons new head coach will be interested in using it to help find players for his new team. His thoughts were as follows:On Dan Quinn, it's hard to have a feel. My guess is that you'd see a few more typical Seahawk picks, but not a wholesale adoption of SPARQ. He changed the way the defense worked quite a bit when he was here, so he's not just going to parrot what Carroll does.And that makes a ton of sense. The combination of general manager Thomas Dimitroff already using metrics since 2008 and Dan Quinn using SPARQ will likely create a bit of a hybrid thought process when it comes to metrics in Atlanta. A few players who have jumped off the page, according to Whitman, speaking for his pSPARQ metric, which mimics SPARQ, who would fit Falcons needs include offensive lineman Ali Marpet, edge players Vic Beasley and Bud Dupree, running backs Ameer Abdullah and David Johnson, and tight ends MyCole Pruitt and Tyler Kroft. Elsa/Getty Images Drafting Skill Sets That Fit the SchemeOne thing that won't change with Quinn coming on board is Dimitroff's tendency to draft players who fit a profile, scheme and skill set that his head coach wants. That's one of the best things he's done throughout his tenure as the general manager in Atlanta.It's a big reason why he wasn't taking top edge players for the defenses due to Mike Smith and Mike Nolan's thoughts that they could scheme pressure if they had the proper interior defenders. It's also a big reason why his first two signings for Quinn were a pair of linebackers who fit the new defensive scheme.The idea that the GM and coaches are on the same page is something that comes down from owner Arthur Blank. Synergy is the name of the game for Atlanta. Even if a pick doesn't make a ton of sense based on the national media value, the pick will make sense for the Falcons scheme, need and team fit. John Bazemore/Associated Press A Trade Is Going to HappenAtlanta will be making a trade at some point during the 2015 NFL draft. In seven years drafting for the Falcons, Dimitroff has made at least one trade during every single draft that he has been a part of. That includes trade ups and trade downs. The Falcons aren't afraid to move up or down for players they like or to pick up an extra pick or two for a player whom they feel they can get later. The Falcons are wheelers and dealers and will likely continue their streak of trading a pick either up or down at some point in the draft.Hopefully, it's down so that the Falcons can re-coup a pick in the 2016 draft to replace the fifth round pick that they lost as part of the Decibacle scandal where they pumped noise into the stadium. They could also use the extra picks to help with depth for the 2015 season and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It will be interesting to see if they pull the trigger on Dupree if Beasley is gone at 8. Don't know if I buy the whole Dimi drafts FO his coaches needs/scheme fit but then again smitty routinely moved players from their natural position a lot so who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Got the feeling we will likely be trading back into the first or trading back into the second. RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Trading back into the first will likely cost a pick next year. I can't see us doing that with us being a pick short already next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 In my opinion, if this is a true rebuild, we should be hoarding pics. I'm a fan of the trade down scenario. We are a couple years from being superbowl contenders anyway so let's try to get as many playmakers on this team as possible. If you draft a lot of players, you can always cut the ones that are later rounds that suck. But for once I'd love to have 3 picks in the top 50. Of course if Beasley is sticking around the boards at 8, that's where you go period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 On Dan Quinn, it's hard to have a feel. My guess is that you'd see a few more typical Seahawk picks, but not a wholesale adoption of SPARQ. He changed the way the defense worked quite a bit when he was here, so he's not just going to parrot what Carroll does.This is seriously important. A lot of people think we'll just be the Atlantle Falhawks, but it's not all Carroll's scheme. The defenses Bradley and Quinn ran are pretty different. Another smallish thing, but the Seahawks were 18-14 when Bradley was there, finishing 2nd and 3rd in their Division and making the playoffs one year. They were 25-7 with Quinn there, winning the division both years and reaching b2b Super Bowls. Most Seahawks fans didn't mourn Bradley's loss at all, whereas a lot were quick to point out what Quinn brought to the defense when he left (though they are happy he's getting a shot elsewhere and they trust Carroll). I'm excited, I can't help it. Also, a lot of the players I like (Beasley, Marpet, Johnson) were mentioned there. Funny. Granted, the Seahawks seem to take my favorite picks almost every year...I think with their 2013 draft I had three of their picks (Christine Michael, Jordan Hill, Chris Harper) in the first five rounds of my mock even. Bizarre.No one's going to be calling the Falcons soft this year, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuswap Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Not a bad article by Scar, considering he's a bit of a *****. Interesting considering how much Seatlle trades in the draft as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Got the feeling we will likely be trading back into the first or trading back into the second. RBI was actually thinking we are trading back in the first and then back up into the first in the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Trading back into the first will likely cost a pick next year. I can't see us doing that with us being a pick short already next yearWhat did it cost in '08? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I was actually thinking we are trading back in the first and then back up into the first in the 2nd. I can definitely see something like that. I think either Dupree will drop, or they may be targeting Armstead. Then there is good talent in the second so its hard to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconAge Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) No Beasley, we either trade back or bite the bullet with Dupree.If we trade back I am actually in favor of Danielle Hunter. He has the athleticism and power that we are looking for, and the freaky long arms that Quinn covets. He is also the most raw pass rushing prospect on the radar.If we pick him, Quinn should essentially become his 1A position coach. Quinn worked wonders on Bennett, and Fowler raves about what he learned in just a year with Quinn.Hunter would be the Galatea to Quinn's Pygmalion.*I realize that "No Beasley" makes it sound like "No to Beasley", what I'm saying is that if he isn't there at 8 we will likely get Dupree or trade back. Edited April 7, 2015 by FalconAge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 This is seriously important. A lot of people think we'll just be the Atlantle Falhawks, but it's not all Carroll's scheme. The defenses Bradley and Quinn ran are pretty different. Another smallish thing, but the Seahawks were 18-14 when Bradley was there, finishing 2nd and 3rd in their Division and making the playoffs one year. They were 25-7 with Quinn there, winning the division both years and reaching b2b Super Bowls. Most Seahawks fans didn't mourn Bradley's loss at all, whereas a lot were quick to point out what Quinn brought to the defense when he left (though they are happy he's getting a shot elsewhere and they trust Carroll). I'm excited, I can't help it. Also, a lot of the players I like (Beasley, Marpet, Johnson) were mentioned there. Funny. Granted, the Seahawks seem to take my favorite picks almost every year...I think with their 2013 draft I had three of their picks (Christine Michael, Jordan Hill, Chris Harper) in the first five rounds of my mock even. Bizarre.No one's going to be calling the Falcons soft this year, that's for sure.You stole my quote! HahaBut definitely agree. This is what may make Quinn different from Bradley. Quinn is definitely confident in his ability to make the most out of guys. He doesn't seem stressed at all about taking over the 32nd ranked defense. He sees some pieces were here and he has a foundation to build on. All of it won't work, but a good chunk most likely will. It's to the point where it doesn't matter what player they draft, Quinn will make it work. Smitty needed pro ready guys to come in and fit a specifically role in the scheme. Quinn just wants talented guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Justin Coleman NB Tennessee Eric Rowe CB/S UtahDavid Johnson RB Northern IowaJay Ajayi RB Boise StateHenry Anderson DL StanfordGrady Jarrett DL ClemsonJordan Hicks LB TexasStephone Anthony LB ClemsonI expect us to take a couple of these guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChessPlayer1 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It would be interesting to see how our new free agent acquisitions measure on SPARQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Got the feeling we will likely be trading back into the first or trading back into the second. RBIm almost certain we're trading back into the first for Phillip Dorsett.Bank on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Im almost certain we're trading back into the first for Phillip Dorsett.Bank on it.Not many things I don't like and I don't think I absolutely hate anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Im almost certain we're trading back into the first for Phillip Dorsett.Bank on it.Should I feel bad for not minding that at all? Trade ups are iffy, but god, Dorsett is stupid dynamic. Like Percy Harvin without the issues. I'd love to have him in red and black.And if we don't trade up, the Jets will take him. They apparently love him, so...yeah. i can see it.I could kinda see us staying put until either Rowe or Dorsett is off the board, then moving up for the other one. To save picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 In my opinion, if this is a true rebuild, we should be hoarding pics. I'm a fan of the trade down scenario. We are a couple years from being superbowl contenders anyway so let's try to get as many playmakers on this team as possible. If you draft a lot of players, you can always cut the ones that are later rounds that suck. But for once I'd love to have 3 picks in the top 50. Of course if Beasley is sticking around the boards at 8, that's where you go period.Agree. Even without factoring in the loss of the pick next year, trading down for an extra pick with all our holes just makes more sense than trading up. But if Beasley is still there by some miracle, you grab him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Should I feel bad for not minding that at all? Trade ups are iffy, but god, Dorsett is stupid dynamic. Like Percy Harvin without the issues. I'd love to have him in red and black.And if we don't trade up, the Jets will take him. They apparently love him, so...yeah. i can see it.I could kinda see us staying put until either Rowe or Dorsett is off the board, then moving up for the other one. To save picks.I'd love to take a LEO at #8, Rowe at #42 and trade up for Dorsett. We all win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 In my opinion, if this is a true rebuild, we should be hoarding pics. I'm a fan of the trade down scenario. We are a couple years from being superbowl contenders anyway so let's try to get as many playmakers on this team as possible. If you draft a lot of players, you can always cut the ones that are later rounds that suck. But for once I'd love to have 3 picks in the top 50. Of course if Beasley is sticking around the boards at 8, that's where you go period.everybody is a fan of trading back and hoarding picks. Most don't realize that there is no such thing as trading back. An other team has to want your pick and at the same time offer you the appropriate compensation. If a GM instigates a trade back he is starting from a position of weakness unless it is a highly coveted pick for a highly coveted player which would also require a second team interested in your pick. Otherwise that GM won't get the appropriate value for that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 everybody is a fan of trading back and hoarding picks. Most don't realize that there is no such thing as trading back. An other team has to want your pick and at the same time offer you the appropriate compensation. If a GM instigates a trade back he is starting from a position of weakness unless it is a highly coveted pick for a highly coveted player which would also require a second team interested in your pick. Otherwise that GM won't get the appropriate value for that pick.No...I realize that. I'm a Realtor so I spend a lot of my time negotiating from the strongest position possible but all NFL GM's know that TD likes to trade around in the draft and if one of the WR or OL options are there but Beasley is gone it wouldn't surprise me if we got calls from teams since they know they could potentially have a trade partner with the Falcons.And not everybody is a fan. Last year I didn't want to and if Beasley or Fowler is magically there at 8, I won't be a fan of trading back either. What I'm afraid we will see is TD move up for Beasley though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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