Leon Troutsky Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 My understanding is that Iran will shut down 13000-14000 of its 20,000 nuclear centrifuges. They are not allowed to make any more centrifuges under the agreement. Currently, if Iran stopped everything and focused just on making a nuclear weapon, they could do so in about three months. Under the deal, that capacity would be pushed back to one year. They also have to allow outside inspectors full access to the remaining facilities.In exchange, the European sanctions would be dropped now and the US sanctions dropped only after they met all of the requirements. If at any point they violate the agreement then all of the sanctions are immediately reimposed. Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Benghazi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Will probably have a nuke a year from now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Will probably have a nuke a year from nowWe've been hearing that same prediction for over 20 years. But it's going to happen this time. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 We've been hearing that same prediction for over 20 years. But it's going to happen this time. Seriously. Yep, let's lift all sanctions and encourage their nuclear programs and they promise not to use it to make a bomb. Well as long as they promised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 My understanding is that Iran will shut down 13000-14000 of its 20,000 nuclear centrifuges. They are not allowed to make any more centrifuges under the agreement. Currently, if Iran stopped everything and focused just on making a nuclear weapon, they could do so in about three months. Under the deal, that capacity would be pushed back to one year. They also have to allow outside inspectors full access to the remaining facilities.In exchange, the European sanctions would be dropped now and the US sanctions dropped only after they met all of the requirements. If at any point they violate the agreement then all of the sanctions are immediately reimposed. Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.sounds like a good deal provided there is a reliable system in place to make sure they follow it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Yep, let's lift all sanctions and encourage their nuclear programs and they promise not to use it to make a bomb. Well as long as they promised.Show us where Israel touches you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Netanyahu is crying bloody murder so there must be merit to this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Show us where Israel touches you.That's not appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Yep, let's lift all sanctions and encourage their nuclear programs and they promise not to use it to make a bomb. Well as long as they promised.Did you read the outline of the proposal. How does it "encourage their nuclear programs"? It reduces their capacity significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 sounds like a good deal provided there is a reliable system in place to make sure they follow itThe system of inspections and oversight will indeed by the most critical part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Troutsky Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Netanyahu is crying bloody murder so there must be merit to this deal.That dude made some very poor decisions in the run up to his reelection. He's pretty much marginalized himself internationally. I suspect that Israel's international influence will start to wane now. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The system of inspections and oversight will indeed by the most critical part. yup...I think we can all agree that the UN really pussied out when it came to the inspections in Iraq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 sounds like a good deal provided there is a reliable system in place to make sure they follow itIf they follow it then this could prove to be very fruitful for us in the long run, especially in that region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) That's not appropriateIt is when you finally realize that all of the rhetoric is simply that....Rhetoric. Edited April 4, 2015 by 𝓜èφhì§τö Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Another great job by Obama and his team. What a remarkable presidency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritzblitz 2.0 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Another great job by Obama and his team. What a remarkable presidency.Sure. As long as you gloss over all that NSA spyin' and drone strikin' plus rampant corporatism. Yeah, yeah, I know. Bush did it too. So I guess it's OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 It is when you finally realize that all of the rhetoric is simply that....Rhetoric.Not that kind of behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Sure. As long as you gloss over all that NSA spyin' and drone strikin' plus rampant corporatism.Yeah, yeah, I know. Bush did it too. So I guess it's OK.politically he is the polar opposite of Snake and Steve....complete blinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Not that kind of behavior.Don't nuke me bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago 3.0 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Don't nuke me bro.I chuckled for realz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The funniest thing out of all this is Boehner and other Republicans calling Obama and anti war president. I'm like duh isn't that what Presidents are supped to be? Why would any sane person want war to always be the first option? Didn't Iraq and Afghanistan teach them anything? WTF is wrong with them. Good on Obama for avoiding another pointless war that would destabilize the middle east and kill more American lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Sure. As long as you gloss over all that NSA spyin' and drone strikin' plus rampant corporatism.Yeah, yeah, I know. Bush did it too. So I guess it's OK.The last president who had nothing negative on his resume...well, that person doesn't exist. I'm horrified by the drone strikes, but that one black mark is more than counterbalanced by multiple historic positives. The NSA thing was going to happen independent of who won the White House. We've also lacked oversight on these shadowy government departments. It's why The Good Shepherd is such an engrossing film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 The funniest thing out of all this is Boehner and other Republicans calling Obama and anti war president. I'm like duh isn't that what Presidents are supped to be? Why would any sane person want war to always be the first option? Didn't Iraq and Afghanistan teach them anything? WTF is wrong with them. Good on Obama for avoiding another pointless war that would destabilize the middle east and kill more American lives.They have a hard on for Netanyahu and he hasn't made it a secret that he wants us to invade Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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