lju713 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 We remember the 07 draft. It was bust after bust at pass rusher. We painfully watched Revis and Willis have all pro careers. Waynes,White,Cooper,Dupree,Gregory,and a OL will probably be on board at 8, so do we reach for a pass rusher due to the fact they will atleast 2(Fowler and Beasley) will be gone. I would hate to draft Gregory or Dupree and they bust, and Waynes becomes Revis 2.0 or Cooper catches 80 as a rook. I want a trench player(pass rusher), but i don't want to reach for a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Another BPA thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yep it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 not taking the best pass rusher will leave us in the last few years minus abe. its all a gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If TD has his way we will trade up and not reach. Maybe it's a trade up from #8. Maybe it's BPA at 8 and a trade up using our 2nd plus other pick(s) to get back into the first. Either way I think TD does what he's known for trading up to get his guy or in this case maybe it's Quinn's guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I can't stand the revisionist history angle.Anderson was a fine prospect. He was drafted appropriately. He just didn't work out. The fact that he didnt work out doesnt mean he wasn't the BPA or whatever. That's not how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You're absolutely correct. TD excelled at drafting for need with the Patriots. It has killed him recently in Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Was this trip really necessary? Couldn't this 'post' have simply been a comment made on the already lively BPA thread on the front page for the last couple of days? Or did someone think the only way people would validate his opinion was to create a whole new thread about the same old thing? Just askin'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artys Arryn Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Anyone can bust. What if we take Cooper and Gregory gets 14 sacks as a rookie? The point is, is that Gregory and Ray and Dupree are all good prospects. Any of which can bust and any of which can become Pro bowl caliber.The difference is, we have good WRs. Meanwhile, we don't have a pass rush at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 If TD has his way we will trade up and not reach. Maybe it's a trade up from #8. Maybe it's BPA at 8 and a trade up using our 2nd plus other pick(s) to get back into the first. Either way I think TD does what he's known for trading up to get his guy or in this case maybe it's Quinn's guy.I agree with that theory. I honestly hope Mariota falls past NYJ and some teams call us (CLE,PHI,) and offer some more picks. I firmly believe a new coaches 1st draft has to be a staple draft. We need atleast 5 picks in the top 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D#x3 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Id settle for a champion RB that is as hard as a cats head, unless you mean Jamaal Anderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 So if we dont take the player you prefer, the player that we do pick would turn into Jamaal Anderson? This is some of the dumbest stuff ever written on this board. If thats the case why dont we just forfeit the entire draft if the players you mentioned are off the all taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBender Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Just BPA for a need. Reaching for the 4th or 5th best pass rusher would be a huge mistake I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBender Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 So if we dont take the player you prefer, the player that we do pick would turn into Jamaal Anderson?This is some of the dumbest stuff ever written on this board.If thats the case why dont we just forfeit the entire draft if the players you mentioned are off the all taken.Think you missed the point. He didn't say pick X player or Y player he said BPA. Where as he did use some examples reading comprehension is a wonderful thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 I personally would not take the 3rd or 4th best pass rusher at 8. Take BPA at any position except quarterback. But who knows what guys Dimi and Pioli really like.The 3rd or 4TH best passer at 8 is a reach......Now at pick 12-29 its a go. We can go in alot of directions at 8 rusher isnt there. If Leonard Williams fall or Waynes is the BPA, or a OL we could bolster those positions. I want to trade back and get 2 second rd picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Or we could not go pass rusher and the current group could go on to be like the 2011 class of pass rushers with JJ Watt, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan, Cameron Jordan, and Aldon Smith and then everyone will be b*tching about how obvious it was that we needed a pass rusher and we were stupid not to grab one. Kind of like they do about 2011 now.Can't play this game...it's pointless. Some picks work out some picks don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Here's the thing about Jamal. He was BPA at the time. Had we picked another player, we'd still be in the same shape for lack of a top flight pass rusher. Things would likely not have changed much defensively. He hurt us from the standpoint that we didn't draft a replacement later because we thought that he was going to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBender Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Here's the thing about Jamal. He was BPA at the time. Had we picked another player, we'd still be in the same shape for lack of a top flight pass rusher. Things would likely not have changed much defensively. He hurt us from the standpoint that we didn't draft a replacement later because we thought that he was going to develop.He was the BPA at the pass rush position at the time, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D#x3 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Here's the thing about Jamal. He was BPA at the time. Had we picked another player, we'd still be in the same shape for lack of a top flight pass rusher. Things would likely not have changed much defensively. He hurt us from the standpoint that we didn't draft a replacement later because we thought that he was going to develop.I dont remember that. The only idiots that thought he would develop were TD and gazoo.Anderson was a bigger bust than Aundrey Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Or we could not go pass rusher and the current group could go on to be like the 2011 class of pass rushers with JJ Watt, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan, Cameron Jordan, and Aldon Smith and then everyone will be b*tching about how obvious it was that we needed a pass rusher and we were stupid not to grab one. Kind of like they do about 2011 now.Can't play this game...it's pointless. Some picks work out some picks don't. Missing the point. Im not saying dont take a rusher,but if Ray is the best pass rusher on the board at 8, i would trade back for Dupree or Harold and pick up extra picks,or take Waynes and Danielle Hunter/Golden/P.Smith in the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler11 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Who's to say Gregory or dupree aren't BP at #8? Gregory was a top 5 lock all season and Dupree is biggest riser since the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Think you missed the point. He didn't say pick X player or Y player he said BPA. Where as he did use some examples reading comprehension is a wonderful thingNo I didnt miss the point. OP is implying that outside of Fowler and Beasley every other pass rusher at number 8 is a reach. That makes absolutely no since. How do you know the BPA wont bust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla1985 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I dont remember that. The only idiots that thought he would develop were TD and gazoo.Anderson was a bigger bust than Aundrey Bruce.You do know JA98 was drafted before TD got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 the problem w/ this thread is simply this:we are trading off of information from Kiper, McShay, Walterfootball.com, CBSSports, Mayock, etc. While I know and respect Mayock, he is really the only one I put much stock in - however, most of us base our thoughts off of youtube filmstudy, handful of college games we may have watched on these NFL prospects and some of these scouting reports we read on-line. Some of you might have a little more time than myself invested in this - but even if it is double the time I have spent - it is still not that much. I watch college football and I love gaining as much knowledge on these players as I can - but I probably have 10% of the info. that the NFL teams' scouting depts. do - and even these guys that we follow and read - they might have 20-30% of the info. the NFL teams/scouts/GM's have - that does not mean they are right and we are wrong - heck, myself and many of you would have done better than Dimitroff (overall) has these last 8 years.Back to my point though - when you say "BPA" and you base it off what NFL.com, Daniel Jeremiah, Charles Davis, Kiper, McGay, etc say - which influences your opinion - how do we really know who the BPA is?Maybe 25 NFL teams think Shane Ray, DE/OLB is a better prospect than Amari Cooper.Maybe 20 NFL teams think Bud Dupree, DE/OLB is a better prospect than Kevin White.My point is simply this: BPA - it is in the eye of the beholder until proven otherwise (2-3 year track record in NFL) - and who you think is the obvious BPA - may not really be the BPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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