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Is The Number 8 Overall Pick Bpa Or A Pick For Need?


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Tons of threads...lots of rambling discussion. Let's cut to the chase, shall we?

Option 1: BPA @ # 8

Option 2: Draft for highest need--Edge rusher?

I say option 1: Beasley ain't there, I'm trading down or going straight BPA...which may be a surprise pick and not an edge rusher

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If we don't get an edge rusher at 8, Dimitroff Pioli and the whole crew will be pretty much gone next offseason.

You assume it has to be at #8 overall...what if Reed and Clayborn each get 8 sacks and shembo gets 5-6, add 5 for Biermann...add in 4 for hageman and 4 for Schoffield

Let's say they draft Collins with those sack totals and were 5th overall defense...they still get fired?

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If a dominant pass rusher is there, you take him. Otherwise, with the right trading partner, you trade down a few spots and grab Dupree. Without the right trade partner, you take Brandon Scherff. The BPA thing doesn't work for us. We certainly don't want a QB with the # 8 pick, nor do we need other skill positions at that point. We simply must work on our defense or our offensive line.

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You assume it has to be at #8 overall...what if Reed and Clayborn each get 8 sacks and shembo gets 5-6, add 5 for Biermann...add in 4 for hageman and 4 for Schoffield

Let's say they draft Collins with those sack totals and were 5th overall defense...they still get fired?

What if Lawrence Sidbury gets 8 sacks?

What if Kroy Bierrman gets 8 sacks?

What if Jonathan Massaquoi gets 8 sacks?

I've heard it all. Fix the ucking problem!

As someone said in another thread, the Falcons were not #16 in defense last year, they were not #20 - we were EFFING LAST. We punted on getting a passrusher in free agency. We punted on a passrusher last year in free agency - we punted on getting a passrusher last year.

We don't need Amari Cooper or Kevin White - or Todd Gurley even - yes we need to upgrade WR and RB for the future. The problem with your BPA @ #8 argument - is that none of the skill position players are sooooo much better than the passrushers - it is quite conceivable that many of these passrushers could end up being every bit as good as these BPA's on offense.

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Top 10 picks should almost always be BPA...but within reason. If one guys a 98 and the other guys a 96, and the 96 is at a need spot...you take the 96.

You shouldn't dip into what you feel like is a full tier below just to get the need filled. Top 10 picks are about getting cornerstone players.

That's why it was important to get a slightly better edge rusher in FA...in case the board fell horribly. Because we badly, badly, BADLY need a rusher.

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My hope is ATL has precisely ranked the edge rushers on their board, identifying which ones are worth the #8 pick and which ones would be around later in the 1st round. If that first group has all been picked when the Falcons go on the clock, the Qui-troff-ioli regime should be have already determined which teams may want to trade up, allow the Falcons to net extra picks for this year and slide back. Regardless of where they pick, the Falcons must select one of their top 5 choices at the DE/OLB position. As g-dawg stated earlier in this thread, ATL can't afford to keep punting further down the road the need to get legit pass rush talent. Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if the first two pics by ATL are edge rushers.

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What if Lawrence Sidbury gets 8 sacks

What if Kroy Bierrman gets 8 sacks

What if Jonathan Massaquoi gets 8 sacks

I've heard it all. Fix the ucking problem!

As someone said in another thread, the Falcons were not #16 in defense last year, they were not #20 - we were EFFING LAST. We punted on getting a passrusher in free agency. We punted on a passrusher last year in free agency - we punted on getting a passrusher last year.

We don't need Amari Cooper or Kevin White - or Todd Gurley even - yes we need to upgrade WR and RB for the future. The problem with your BPA @ #8 argument - is that none of the skill position players are sooooo much better than the passrushers - it is quite conceivable that many of these passrushers could end up being every bit as good as these BPA's on offense.

Thanks for the profanity lol So in essence you draft a Kroy biermann talent guy in the first because he's highly rated by mocker forkers and the media--particularly if he's not a scheme fit...seriously dawg
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My hope is ATL has precisely ranked the edge rushers on their board, identifying which ones are worth the #8 pick and which ones would be around later in the 1st round. If that first group has all been picked when the Falcons go on the clock, the Qui-troff-ioli regime should be have already determined which teams may want to trade up, allow the Falcons to net extra picks for this year and slide back. Regardless of where they pick, the Falcons must select one of their top 5 choices at the DE/OLB position. As g-dawg stated earlier in this thread, ATL can't afford to keep punting further down the road the need to get legit pass rush talent. Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if the first two pics by ATL are edge rushers.

one intriguing interview or something - cannot remember where i got it - probably TATF - was that Dan Quinn identified 8 passrushers he liked in this draft - EIGHT! I am assuming Leonard Williams is not considered a "passrusher".

We know of 6 that will likely go at some point in 1st round:

  1. Vic Beasley
  2. Dante Fowler
  3. Randy Gregory
  4. Shane Ray
  5. Bud Dupree
  6. Eli Harrold

so assuming those are the six - and that is an assumption as Quinn may not like 1-2 of those - who would the other two be?

candidates:

  • Preston Smith?
  • Hau'oli Kikakha?
  • Nate Orchard?
  • Kwon Alexander?
  • Lorenzo Mauldin?
  • Danielle Hunter?
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Thanks for the profanity lol So in essence you draft a Kroy biermann talent guy in the first because he's highly rated by mocker forkers and the media--particularly if he's not a scheme fit...seriously dawg

first, I did not use profanity - i just hinted at itrolleyes.gif

tell me which one is Kroy Bierrman? Bierrman was drafted in the 5th round my friend (he has proved to be a 5th round talent) - why are these guys going in the FIRST round if they are "Bierrman quality" - c'monnnnnnnn msalmon.

Not a fan of the "overexaggeration to make a point".

Tell me if Amari Cooper is going to be Calvin Johnson or Julio or AJ Green? I don't think so.

Why does everyone think Dan Quinn's name being "on the HC door" means our offense defense is going to be better. Scheme does not win football games - players win games.

I don't believe for one second that Randy Gregory or Bud Dupree are the equivalent of Kroy Effin-Bierrman.

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tell me which one is Kroy Bierrman? Bierrman was drafted in the 5th round my friend - why are these guys going in the FIRST round if they are "Bierrman quality" - c'monnnnnnnn msalmon.

Not a fan of the "overexaggeration to make a point".

Tell me if Amari Cooper is going to be Calvin Johnson or Julio or AJ Green? I don't think so.

Why does everyone think Dan Quinn's name being "on the HC door" means our offense is going to be better. Scheme does not win football games - players win games.

I don't believe for one second that Randy Gregory or Bud Dupree are the equivalent of Kroy Effin-Bierrman.

Ray is overrated--no length..questionable bend to QB. How many sack due to system?

Gregory: we've beat his problems to death

Fowler: length is questionable, little production and not particularly strong

Beasley is even flawed but he is a player at worst is your SAM

Dupree? Ultimate workout warrior

So those names are all ones being thrown around as Falcons picks, yet the only one who really passes the eyeball test (despite questionable length) is beasley who may be gone

Now flash forward to Seattle. What was the hisghest pick used on their vaunted pass rusher? Irvin who was not a top 10 guy. Their best pass rushers were not first rounders (Avril, Clemons and be better), but guess what's? They fit the system and had the right physical profile.

So get off the high horse of player crapola. End of day guys like Harold, Hunter, and possibly Valles and Hunter fit the physical profile of what we need in the term LEO we all throw around here.

Reaching for a player for need is what you hate TD so much for. So why in gods name would you take an incomplete pass rusher who doesn't fit your "type" at #8 but leave a true BPA on the board? That's the whole grab Jerry over matthews scenario repeated.

Fact is: playmakers any position win games. Adding a stud LG (Schereff) could positively impact the team greater than a questionable first round pass rusher.

I'm not an advocate for Gurley, but you say players win games..how bout a truly healthy Gurley? You think he'd positively impact our team

Let's discuss, not cuss..your turn

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If Fowler and Beasley are gone, every pass rusher from then on is a stretch imo. I'd rather 1. Draft Cooper or White @ 8, 2. Trade back and get Gurley, Ray, Gregory, or Dupree.

This is a good approach. If we take a project at least gain value (more picks) to offset risk

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