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Seems like the prevailing thought on this board is Shanahan could take the ghost of Woody Dantzler and make him a 1200 yard back with his mystical ZBS.

Yet, for as much love as Quinn has gotten from us so far, most seem to be unhappy with the state of the defense and think we must invest most of our draft picks into new players on D.

There's a preconceived certainty that Shanahan will make a 1000 yard back out of a former 4th round pick in Freeman, but far less faith, if any, that Quinn will develop any of our young guys into studs, or even serviceable starters.

There's a call for almost a complete roster overhaul on defense before we can even see what Quinn does with all these guys still on their rookie contracts. Why?

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Everyone overreacts after a pair of losing seasons. Faith in Quinn is all we can do. Smith came on board with the most hated BVG and took the 2007 29th ranked defense and turned them into the 11th ranked scoring D and boom into the playoffs. We fell apart the last two years on defense because of the overhyped and overrated Mike Nolan. He took the hated BVG's defense that was 5th in scoring in 2010 then 18th in scoring in 2011 to 5th in scoring in 2012. After that they fell to 27th and 27th the next two years. There is a reason Nolan is a LB coach now and not running anyone else's defense. Funny thing is this happens on every team he has ever coached. He inherits a good D has success for a year or two watches it collapse then is fired and replaced with someone who turns it around in a year. Look at all the defensive talent he amassed at SF only to fail miserably with it so that Singletary and eventually Harbaugh can have great success with it. He is the reason why Smitty was fired and why our team was so bad the last two years. Hopefully it will turn out to be a good thing.

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We have a severe shortage of talent on defense. Lombardi himself could not take last year's defensive talent and make a top 5 defense.

But our offensive talent, minus a couple of spots, is pretty darn good. Without some injuries last year (and if we had had anything but an awful defense), good coaching could have had us in the top 10 and maybe even the top 5.

So the consensus seems to be that Quinn and Shanahan are both good coaches. One has good talent to work with, and one doesn't. It's that simple.

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One thing about shans offense that stands out to me is when you watch highlights you don't see many catches made in heavy traffic like you would in falcons highlights.

Was watching Leo hankys videos and he was shooting across the middle of the field in wide open space So I looked at the Browns and it was the same thing.

I don't know much about zbs and whether or not it will benefit our running game but I'm very excited to see a more creative passing game

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Shanahan will have arguably the best QB/WR combo in the NFL when healthy

Quinn has nobody close to that

I don't necessarily see this as the case. Quinn is a defensive mastermind and has built from chicken chit before, through the draft. Some may be very surprised how our D turns out next year, if our FA pickups stay healthy and we get a solid #8 edge rusher.

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I don't necessarily see this as the case. Quinn is a defensive mastermind and has built from chicken chit before, through the draft. Some may be very surprised how our D turns out next year, if our FA pickups stay healthy and we get a solid #8 edge rusher.

That doesn't change the fact that he won't have near the talent to work with on his side that Shanahan will have on the offensive side.

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Seems like the prevailing thought on this board is Shanahan could take the ghost of Woody Dantzler and make him a 1200 yard back with his mystical ZBS.

Yet, for as much love as Quinn has gotten from us so far, most seem to be unhappy with the state of the defense and think we must invest most of our draft picks into new players on D.

There's a preconceived certainty that Shanahan will make a 1000 yard back out of a former 4th round pick in Freeman, but far less faith, if any, that Quinn will develop any of our young guys into studs, or even serviceable starters.

There's a call for almost a complete roster overhaul on defense before we can even see what Quinn does with all these guys still on their rookie contracts. Why?

Shanahan will have arguably the best QB/WR combo in the NFL when healthy

Quinn has nobody close to that

Its a no brainer that Shanahan has the advantage. That doesn't mean Quinn can't develop some guys, but clearly he will have more work to do that Shanny.

**** guys, you've got me flip flopping. On one hand I agree that people are overreacting on both ends of this scale, but it is true we have a lot more supporting pieces on offense around guys like Free.

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Seems like the prevailing thought on this board is Shanahan could take the ghost of Woody Dantzler and make him a 1200 yard back with his mystical ZBS.

Yet, for as much love as Quinn has gotten from us so far, most seem to be unhappy with the state of the defense and think we must invest most of our draft picks into new players on D.

There's a preconceived certainty that Shanahan will make a 1000 yard back out of a former 4th round pick in Freeman, but far less faith, if any, that Quinn will develop any of our young guys into studs, or even serviceable starters.

There's a call for almost a complete roster overhaul on defense before we can even see what Quinn does with all these guys still on their rookie contracts. Why?

Because the offense has talentm Matt Ryan and Julio Jones are elite talents; Roddy is aging but still effective; Matthews has the makings of an elite LT.

The defense has one guy: Trufant. Willie Mo is a great hitter, but struggles in coverage. The other nine guys are pathetic, no-talent scrubs or a washed-up has-been (Osi).

Quinn's specialty is a simpler system. I believe that such a system works well with a talent-laden roster. My belief is that the relative simplicity of Quinn's defensive philosophy is great for letting players actually make plays, but we don't have players capable of making plays.

In my opinion, our defensive personnel will be exposed even more by Quinn's philosophy. He has never had a sub-standard roster. He has never had to scheme to cover a dearth of talent up and down the roster.

That's why.

For the record, I expect the offense to struggle at least initially. Traditionally it takes an offense a year or two to transition to a WCO, and our linemen will have to re-learn their positions with the ZBS. I will not be upset or disappointed, and I will not make foolish cries to dump Matt Ryan. I believe that this is a system that will ultimately benefit Ryan, as his skills mesh perfectly with the WCO. I am willing to sacrifice a season now in order to benefit Ryan long-term.

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We have a bunch of 1yr deals.. thoes guys are what ppl call in football as a "stop gap" player.

Thoes guys get replaced by younger guys when their ready to play.. so yes, i can def see us going defense early and often in this draft.. you gotta start somewhere, FA was that and the draft will finish it.

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and again, there have been better combos since he has been in the league, even when healthy. He's only had 2 fully healthy seasons. There were better combos last season and there were better combos in 2012.

When healthy you can make the argument that they are the best QB/WR combo in the NFL. Which is what I said.

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Such as?

2014 you had nelson/Rodgers, big ben/brown, even romo/Bryant

2012 you had romo/Bryant, marshall/cutler, dalton/green

It's the all around statistics that make you the best. Not only catches and yards. Those examples were better all around better tandems both years.

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