freebird310 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 When Atlanta Falcons coach Dan Quinn meets the media this morning during the NFL owners meetings in Phoenix, he is likely to be asked about the status of contract extension talks with the team's top receiver Julio Jones.The last time I asked Quinn about this subject on Feb. 27, this was his response on Jones:"We know moving forward he's going to be a big part of what we're doing. We haven't gotten into the specifics of it. But, yeah, Thomas [Dimitroff] and I will get together on that. Moving forward, Julio is an outstanding guy and somebody we want here for a long time." Of course, the Falcons had to focus on free agency first to fill holes at positions such as edge-rusher, linebacker and tight end. But now, it wouldn't be a surprise if the Falcons initiated preliminary talks with Jones' agent, Jimmy Sexton, about an extension. Jones is coming off a career season, with a franchise-record 1,593 receiving yards on 104 catches with six touchdowns.Jones has one year left on his contract and will be paid $10.176 million for the 2015 season. Essentially, the Falcons could wait it out just to make sure Jones remains fully healthy, although there are no indications he has any lingering effects from the second right foot fracture he suffered during the 2013 season.So how much is Jones' worth? I discussed the topic with former agent Joel Corry, now a contract and salary-cap analyst."The Falcons are not going to start at the Calvin Johnson level," said Corry of the Detroit Lions game-changer, who tops all receivers at more than $16 million in salary per year. "The team is going to want to keep it closer to Jeremy Maclin ($11 million per year from Chiefs), which doesn't make sense because Julio is not Jeremy Maclin. I'd be insulted if the team brought that up to me. When Julio is healthy, you can put him in the conversation of being the best receiver in football."What the Falcons may want to do is take a wait-and-see approach to see if Dez Bryant [Cowboys] or Demaryius Thomas [broncos] can get a deal done and let that kind of really define Julio's market. Or maybe if Cincinnati does something with A.J. Green. The Falcons don't have to rush and they don't really need the cap room. If they were in a pinch for cap room, then there would be a lot more urgency to do something."To Corry's point, the Falcons currently have $17,930,200 in cap room, according to NFLPA records. And an extension for Jones potentially could open up a few more million in cap space.So what about guaranteed money for Jones in deal?"He's going to be looking for that Megatron deal because I called Megatron's deal $53.5 million fully guaranteed at signing because I included the $4.5 million roster bonus from his old contract," Corry said."One thing you have to keep in mind in terms of guaranteed money [for Jones] is more than $10 million already is his own guaranteed because his base salary for this year is now fully guaranteed. His agent is going to raise the issue that they're looking for guaranteed money on top of what they already have. If the team says they're going to give an offer with, hypothetically speaking, $35 million guaranteed, the agent will say, 'No, that's $25 million guaranteed because that's my own money.' They're looking for guaranteed money above what they already have."Of course, the other scenario that could play out, but seems unlikely, is the Falcons placing the franchise tag on Jones if no contract extension is reached. The NFL allows a player to be tagged twice."But when you start playing that game, the agent is going to look at what that franchise tag number will be -- next year, I calculate against a $150-plus million cap, that would put it over $14 million for receivers," Corry said. "Say it's $14 million next year. Then you're talking $16 the next year (2017). So then that gives the agent ammunition to say, 'You need to pay me the $15 million per range because if you play the franchise-tag game, that's where I'm going to end up by the time this is all said and done."http://espn.go.com/blog/atlanta-falcons/post/_/id/12498/julio-jones-extension-still-a-topic-to-be-addressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hes forgetting the part about the tag that makes sense - yea you pay the same amount as the tag but then you dont have a **** load of dead money if you have to let them go or they only play in half the games each year, it actually makes sense for super high priced free agents that are diff makers to use the tag when they are questionable to play because of injury - if they dont stay healthy for those next years, you just move on meanwhile drafting replacements and having huge cap available when you dont resign them after two franchise tagged years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSICKxWITHxITx Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 CBS Sports' Joel Corry expects Julio Jones to aim for $50 million-plus guaranteed on a long-term extension.Both coach Dan Quinn and GM Thomas Dimitroff have stated that signing Jones to an extension is a priority as he enters the final year of his rookie contract. With all four of Jones, Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, and A.J. Green looking for new contracts, we're just waiting for one of them to set the bar. Jones has past foot issues, but is expected to command around $15 million annually.Source: ESPN.com Mar 25 - 9:12 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 CBS Sports' Joel Corry expects Julio Jones to aim for $50 million-plus guaranteed on a long-term extension.Both coach Dan Quinn and GM Thomas Dimitroff have stated that signing Jones to an extension is a priority as he enters the final year of his rookie contract. With all four of Jones, Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, and A.J. Green looking for new contracts, we're just waiting for one of them to set the bar. Jones has past foot issues, but is expected to command around $15 million annually.Source: ESPN.com Mar 25 - 9:12 AMWow. Not a single receiver in the league deserves that much guaranteed money. Not even megatron. Then again he has an 8 year deal. Not sure how much difference that makes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I would be very okay with 15 a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ...Thomas [Dimitroff] and I will get together on that. Moving forward, Julio is an outstanding guy and somebody we want here for a long time."...Remember Quinny wanted Spoon here "for a long time". Then he got Dimi involved. The next week Spoon ended up in ARI on a one year $3.9M deal. I still say let him play out his current deal. Give him a Dimi lowball offer. If he balks, franchise him, or let him walk. Definitely do not pay him Megatron money. Megatron's cap hits are in the $21-24M range over the next three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachore Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Wow. Not a single receiver in the league deserves that much guaranteed money. Not even megatron. Then again he has an 8 year deal. Not sure how much difference that makesWhere did it say it was guaranteed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 5 years/75 million with 35 guaranteed. Front load it and the future cap hits are in the 9-10M per year range, gives us enormous flexibility moving forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Where did it say it was guaranteed? see the post I quoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 It's probably not imminent, but I'd say well see a contract done for Julio before the season. I think that's why we've held on to so much cap money. Front load the hail out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDogg1215 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 no rush here . With his injury history we must see if he can stay healthy again this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 no rush here . With his injury history we must see if he can stay healthy again this yearguarantee this one thing will get downplayed by the ones in favor of breaking the bank now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 If only he can stay healthy for 16 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 **** tag him the next two years, you basically get two more years from him without a long term tie up - the guy is not going to get healthier as his body continues to age lol I love Julio but recievers are not going to win you the bowl - we need a team, we need a defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Wow. Not a single receiver in the league deserves that much guaranteed money. Not even megatron. Then again he has an 8 year deal. Not sure how much difference that makesIf Julio is generatng revenue for the team in the form of PSL sales, ticket sales, merchandise, etc then he is worth that and them some. Certain players make a lot more money for teams than they actually get paid and agents know that. Its not the players fault that the NFL has a salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 guarantee this one thing will get downplayed by the ones in favor of breaking the bank now lolIt's a fair point, but I want to go ahead and extend him while we can front load it and give ourselves room for the future. Also if he stays healthy he's going to dominate and it only raises his price tag, combine that with he would be the last of the Green/Bryant/Thomas to get an extension and each one will ask for more than their predecessor But yeah, I get where he's coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Remember Quinny wanted Spoon here "for a long time". Then he got Dimi involved. The next week Spoon ended up in ARI on a one year $3.9M deal.I still say let him play out his current deal. Give him a Dimi lowball offer. If he balks, franchise him, or let him walk.Definitely do not pay him Megatron money. Megatron's cap hits are in the $21-24M range over the next three years.says the person that would give up an entire draft for Todd Gurley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 It's a fair point, but I want to go ahead and extend him while we can front load it and give ourselves room for the future. Also if he stays healthy he's going to dominate and it only raises his price tag, combine that with he would be the last of the Green/Bryant/Thomas to get an extension and each one will ask for more than their predecessorBut yeah, I get where he's coming fromThis. Not to mention with the cap rising, so will player contracts. Waiting to resign him only makes us pay more, not sure why people don't see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 says the person that would give up an entire draft for Todd GurleyFfs1970'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yea but i dont think he will stay healthy - if he does and dominates, yea would like to sign him but we dont know that he will - we do know he usually misses time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I wouldn't extend him if his agent plays hardball for every penny. In that case just pay him 24mil for the next 2 years and re assess then.Julio is injury prone. If he is reasonable, which would be 24 for the next 2yrs (10+franchise 14) and then 15 per year for another 4 years, then sign him up. 6yr/84mil/45 guaranteed. He can get more money, but he isn't Revis. Julio stands a big risk of injury, especially with the twice broken foot. He would be smart to secure his payday now and also stick with Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 With the cap growing every year, whatever deal we strike won't cripple the team long term. In fact in five years his deal and Ryan's will look pedestrian compared to whatever teams will be throwing at the hot names around that time. Sign him now and we don't have to hear about it for the next year, every time the Falcons play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 With the cap growing every year, whatever deal we strike won't cripple the team long term. In fact in five years his deal and Ryan's will look pedestrian compared to whatever teams will be throwing at the hot names around that time. Sign him now and we don't have to hear about it for the next year, every time the Falcons play.Ryan's contract is already a bargain considering what Cutler and romo are getting paid. Nobody here understands economics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 If we do wait to see if he can stay healthy, I have to admit this is the perfect year to do it. Shanahan's offense runs through the X receiver and he receives a huge volume of passes.. Andre in Houston and obviously Julio for us. He's going to be targeted more than ever If he stays healthy.. Lol it almost makes me laugh. He's going to shred secondaries with Matty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 If Julio is generatng revenue for the team in the form of PSL sales, ticket sales, merchandise, etc then he is worth that and them some. Certain players make a lot more money for teams than they actually get paid and agents know that. Its not the players fault that the NFL has a salary cap.psl sales, ticket sales, merchandise and all that extra isn't for me to worry about. My concern is team success, period. It has been proven over the years that dropping big money on skill position players doesn't equate to team success. I'm positive I don't even need to show examples. It is my opinion that no wr is worth that much money. Nothing more. None is coming out of my pocket or going in my pocket so that opinion is irrelevant to reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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