gafalcon1 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Didnt like the move at first. I was looking at the falcons roster, and decided that either Bowles or Austin would fit the personnel better because of their scheming. I saw it as another falcon blunder. When Quinn said " we want to play faster", that changed my perception of him. What he is saying is they are simplifying the schemes so that the players can REACT and not think too much. Nolan/Smith went down that route already. I say all this to say that if Quinn fails, i think it will be more a result of the front office not getting the TALENT into his system, vs what Quinn himself is gonna do.No matter what system you run, you got to have the players ( which is the reason for my uproar about not getting at least Hardy or a next level edge rusher during free agency). We still need a infusion of talent, but i believe Quinn is gonna use players like Hagemann, Shembo, etc. the way they should be used. I seriously see us going about 8-8 this coming season.Dimitroff/Pioli/Banner have to produce during this draft to get that foundation going because, this is a two year project at most. Again, ive bashed the falcons, but the Quinn move was the right move, now its time to step up their game in the front office or the Quinn hire will not matter. Ive always preferred defenses that can react, vs ones who have to think too much. Aint no time for all that: Edited March 24, 2015 by atlbenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird backer Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Haven't seen a hit like that for the Falcons since Dunta Robinson was back there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafalcon1 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Haven't seen a hit like that for the Falcons since Dunta Robinson was back there...wouldve been interesting to have dunta line up opposite trufant............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernFalcon93 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Willy Mo against the rams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Dann Quinn Was A Great Hire..........Fired already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Haven't seen a hit like that for the Falcons since Dunta Robinson was back there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'll wait and see. He maybe a very good head coach but that is only one part of the equation. The head coach sets the standards and direction but you need good players and assistant coaches to be successful. Quinn has never had to turn around the 32nd ranked defense. On top of that he has to work with the GM who put together a horrible roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Didnt like the move at first. I was looking at the falcons roster, and decided that either Bowles or Austin would fit the personnel better because of their scheming. I saw it as another falcon blunder. When Quinn said " we want to play faster", that changed my perception of him. What he is saying is they are simplifying the schemes so that the players can REACT and not think too much. Nolan/Smith went down that route already. I say all this to say that if Quinn fails, i think it will be more a result of the front office not getting the TALENT into his system, vs what Quinn himself is gonna do.No matter what system you run, you got to have the players ( which is the reason for my uproar about not getting at least Hardy or a next level edge rusher during free agency). We still need a infusion of talent, but i believe Quinn is gonna use players like Hagemann, Shembo, etc. the way they should be used. I seriously see us going about 8-8 this coming season.Dimitroff/Pioli/Banner have to produce during this draft to get that foundation going because, this is a two year project at most. Again, ive bashed the falcons, but the Quinn move was the right move, now its time to step up their game in the front office or the Quinn hire will not matter. Ive always preferred defenses that can react, vs ones who have to think too much. Aint no time for all that:The only player on the roster who can hit like that is Moore. We used to have hitters like Mike Peterson, Curtis Lofton, Dunta Robinson and Spoon. We really haven't drafted players who play physical for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Didnt like the move at first. I was looking at the falcons roster, and decided that either Bowles or Austin would fit the personnel better because of their scheming. I saw it as another falcon blunder. When Quinn said " we want to play faster", that changed my perception of him. What he is saying is they are simplifying the schemes so that the players can REACT and not think too much. Nolan/Smith went down that route already. I say all this to say that if Quinn fails, i think it will be more a result of the front office not getting the TALENT into his system, vs what Quinn himself is gonna do.No matter what system you run, you got to have the players ( which is the reason for my uproar about not getting at least Hardy or a next level edge rusher during free agency). We still need a infusion of talent, but i believe Quinn is gonna use players like Hagemann, Shembo, etc. the way they should be used. I seriously see us going about 8-8 this coming season.Dimitroff/Pioli/Banner have to produce during this draft to get that foundation going because, this is a two year project at most. Again, ive bashed the falcons, but the Quinn move was the right move, now its time to step up their game in the front office or the Quinn hire will not matter. Ive always preferred defenses that can react, vs ones who have to think too much. Aint no time for all that:Banner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I hope you're right, but odds are against us.1) Not enough experience. He only has a few years as a d-line coach, 2 years as a college dc, and 2 years an NFL dc. At no time as a coordinator, has Quinn had to experience coaching a less-talented roster. He has always had a talented roster.2) In Seattle,he played a fairly simple scheme. He was not creative or innovative. He didn't move people around a lot. He really iust challenged the offense to try to beat his people. He relied on his players being better than their players. If he tries that here, the results will be laughable.3) I believe Quinn will be in over his head, and we will have squandered more of Matt Ryan's prime years with Gus Bradley 2.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyinglobster Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I hope you're right, but odds are against us.1) Not enough experience. He only has a few years as a d-line coach, 2 years as a college dc, and 2 years an NFL dc. At no time as a coordinator, has Quinn had to experience coaching a less-talented roster. He has always had a talented roster.2) In Seattle,he played a fairly simple scheme. He was not creative or innovative. He didn't move people around a lot. He really iust challenged the offense to try to beat his people. He relied on his players being better than their players. If he tries that here, the results will be laughable.3) I believe Quinn will be in over his head, and we will have squandered more of Matt Ryan's prime years with Gus Bradley 2.0.Why was it that Dann Quinn was more successful than Gus Bradley with the same players if he is Gus Bradley 2.0? I was skeptical too, because like the O-coordinator position of Denver, it's always a little suspect when someone from the same spot gets hired in consecutive or every other years, but Quinn has done more with that defense and in previous stops than his predecessor. Quinn is also walking into a much better situation than Gus Bradley.A rookie HC is always a gamble, but they have to start somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmite Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Dan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Why was it that Dann Quinn was more successful than Gus Bradley with the same players if he is Gus Bradley 2.0? I was skeptical too, because like the O-coordinator position of Denver, it's always a little suspect when someone from the same spot gets hired in consecutive or every other years, but Quinn has done more with that defense and in previous stops than his predecessor. Quinn is also walking into a much better situation than Gus Bradley.A rookie HC is always a gamble, but they have to start somewhere.What "previous stops"? His ONLY previous dc stop was in college. That is one of my issues. Do you really think Matt Ryan's prime isthe time to experiment with an inexperienced, unproven first time head coach and his on-the-job training program?I don't. We should have made a stronger push for Rex Ryan. We know he can coach a defense, and got his team to 2 consecutive AFCCG's with Mark Sanchez at qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Banner?He's a front office consultant for the Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Lol, Banner isn't even getting paid. How much say will he have in our personnel?Quinn wasn't hired on his resume alone. Frankly he wouldn't have been hired ahead of Rex or Bowles if that was the only factor. They like his leadership, dedication, and relationship with the players. Being known as a "dline whisperer" didn't hurt either. There's no proof he can be a good HC, just lots of reasons to think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpiper Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 So how exactly does one become a front office consultant? Any one got the job specs on that role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runshoot Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Didnt like the move at first. I was looking at the falcons roster, and decided that either Bowles or Austin would fit the personnel better because of their scheming. I saw it as another falcon blunder. When Quinn said " we want to play faster", that changed my perception of him. What he is saying is they are simplifying the schemes so that the players can REACT and not think too much. Nolan/Smith went down that route already. Are you sure you are a falcon's fan?Nolan/Smith did the exact opposite. They made the most complicated hybrid D and it failed horribly. Nolan and Smith did not go down that simply route at all.Babs and Hageman have both already come out and said that the previous system was too much thinking.So....No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Are you sure you are a falcon's fan?Nolan/Smith did the exact opposite. They made the most complicated hybrid D and it failed horribly. Nolan and Smith did not go down that simply route at all.Babs and Hageman have both already come out and said that the previous system was too much thinking.So....No.This is not Nolan and Smith's 1st rodeo. The same coaching staff were one game away from the Superbowl. The main thing that has changed from the 2012 team and the current team is player personnel. Coach Smith had the least penalized team in the league for several seasons. Do you really think the 2014 team was as good as 2012 team and coaching was the only difference? Edited March 24, 2015 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDogg1215 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 This is not Nolan and Smith's 1st rodeo. The same coaching staff were one game away from the Superbowl. The main thing that has changed from the 2012 team and the current team is player personnel. Coach Smith had the least penalized team in the league for several seasons. Do you really think the 2014 was as good as 2012 and coaching was the only difference?Bingo . We lost McClure and Clabo. And replaced them with garbage . Our Oline wasn't all world but it was decent. Our QB needs time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Didnt like the move at first. I was looking at the falcons roster, and decided that either Bowles or Austin would fit the personnel better because of their scheming. I saw it as another falcon blunder. When Quinn said " we want to play faster", that changed my perception of him. What he is saying is they are simplifying the schemes so that the players can REACT and not think too much. Nolan/Smith went down that route already. I say all this to say that if Quinn fails, i think it will be more a result of the front office not getting the TALENT into his system, vs what Quinn himself is gonna do.No matter what system you run, you got to have the players ( which is the reason for my uproar about not getting at least Hardy or a next level edge rusher during free agency). We still need a infusion of talent, but i believe Quinn is gonna use players like Hagemann, Shembo, etc. the way they should be used. I seriously see us going about 8-8 this coming season.Dimitroff/Pioli/Banner have to produce during this draft to get that foundation going because, this is a two year project at most. Again, ive bashed the falcons, but the Quinn move was the right move, now its time to step up their game in the front office or the Quinn hire will not matter. Ive always preferred defenses that can react, vs ones who have to think too much. Aint no time for all that:We don't know for sure that this was a great hire or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Dan Quinn doesn't strike me as the type to submit to the possibility for failure. He was head and shoulders the best candidate available to lead this team long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I hope you're right, but odds are against us.1) Not enough experience. He only has a few years as a d-line coach, 2 years as a college dc, and 2 years an NFL dc. At no time as a coordinator, has Quinn had to experience coaching a less-talented roster. He has always had a talented roster.2) In Seattle,he played a fairly simple scheme. He was not creative or innovative. He didn't move people around a lot. He really iust challenged the offense to try to beat his people. He relied on his players being better than their players. If he tries that here, the results will be laughable.3) I believe Quinn will be in over his head, and we will have squandered more of Matt Ryan's prime years with Gus Bradley 2.0.I see your point. Really I do. But isn't it a bit negative given that EVERY COACH has to start some where? I like to think Dan Quinn had the proper tutoring and saw how its done from very good organizations. The only question is, can he take what he's learned and seen, and reinterpret that into a winner in Atlanta? I think he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Lo_Touchdowns Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I don't get why everyone thinks this was a good hire. The comments Quinn has made do not sit well with me. I don't see any improvements being made. Falcons had multiple injuries at every position and we go out and sign the more FA coming off of injuries then anyone else in the league. I just don't see any good coming outta this coaching staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Still think Austin should've been our guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If people here aren't bishing about FA they are now decrying the universally celebrated coaching hire of Dan Quinn. It's no wonder we have such a crap reputation as a fan base. You don't have to be a homer but every now and then you can let a little light into that cave you call a brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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