JDaveG Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 1) We have to rebuild this team. We need these depth and role player and risk/reward signings, because we lack talent across the board. If a combination of moves improves the overall talent of the team, it is a good combination of moves.2) When is the last time a team "won" free agency and then won the Super Bowl? The Saints got Byrd last year. People were penciling them in to win the South and go to the dance. The Eagles a few years ago made all the big splashes and went, IIRC, 6-10. We don't need to sign a bunch of high priced guys to fill out the roster. We need to get a handful of key FAs in place, add depth, and then hit it hard in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Nobody said we had to win FA - yall say this every year though about the moves, and they never work out - Turner and Gonzo - great, then they leave and everything falls apart, they were done but still, it happened, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 yall say this every year though about the movesNot really..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I see where both sides of the argument are coming from.I'm in your camp OP. I believe we are rebuilding and the guys we are signing now are the foundation for a really good future Falcon defense. Lots of holes to fill and signing two guys at 10 mil each will still leave Bartu playing OLB for this defense.I do understand the argument of "when has this ever worked out in the past" as far as our FA signings go because lets face it, we've made some terrible offseason moves in the recent past. My rebuttal to this is simply that we have an ENTIRE new coaching staff and even though our GM is still our GM, I think Quinn has much more to say about who gets signed and therefore i'm not going to thew the brand new HC under the bus and say he is making "poor decisions." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D#x3 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 LOLBy the time TD actually gets a few defensive draft picks right, the offense as a whole will be all in aged care facilities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 I see where both sides of the argument are coming from.I'm in your camp OP. I believe we are rebuilding and the guys we are signing now are the foundation for a really good future Falcon defense. Lots of holes to fill and signing two guys at 10 mil each will still leave Bartu playing OLB for this defense.I do understand the argument of "when has this ever worked out in the past" as far as our FA signings go because lets face it, we've made some terrible offseason moves in the recent past. My rebuttal to this is simply that we have an ENTIRE new coaching staff and even though our GM is still our GM, I think Quinn has much more to say about who gets signed and therefore i'm not going to thew the brand new HC under the bus and say he is making "poor decisions."I can definitely see both sides. But as much as I'd like to have the top FA to fill every hole on our team, we simply have too many holes. We're probably between $15m and $20m under the cap now. We have to sign our draft picks, so that drops it to $9m to $16m. Let's say we signed someone like Suh -- now we're out of cap room, and we still need a TE, a safety, and at least one o-lineman. Plus the team likes to carry some cash into the season for emergencies, a tactic I'm not fond of, but I can't change.We're improving the team. Are we going to win the Super Bowl this season? Very, very doubtful. Will we be better? I think we will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 YOUR not going to hit on every FA signing so go with some volume of YOUNG players with big up sides and surround them with solid coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 NIce try OP but take it from me, you cannot use logic on some folks here. Because we didn't make a splash signing and/or they didn't get "their guy" that they are absolutely sure is going to turn the team around the moment he walks into Flowery Branch then they are going to go running around like chicken little. Happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im4falcons Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I also agree Op. There were opinions last year, Brian Billick for one, that we didn't even have an NFL caliber "D" in terms of personnel. Without a doubt there are risks involved here with injury history's, but just adding one or two studs to a poor defense won't get it done either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D#x3 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I can definitely see both sides. But as much as I'd like to have the top FA to fill every hole on our team, we simply have too many holes. We're probably between $15m and $20m under the cap now. We have to sign our draft picks, so that drops it to $9m to $16m. Let's say we signed someone like Suh -- now we're out of cap room, and we still need a TE, a safety, and at least one o-lineman. Plus the team likes to carry some cash into the season for emergencies, a tactic I'm not fond of, but I can't change.We're improving the team. Are we going to win the Super Bowl this season? Very, very doubtful. Will we be better? I think we will.So Suh is the best you have? I havnt actually seen anyone pen they wanted Suh or the 'top' free agent in the crop.Im pretty sure we all just wanted to see a signing or 2 that signified the FO was actually wanting to fix the pass rush. Instead we picked up some bit players that are often on IR. Whoopdeedoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 It makes sense to see which players successfully transition to the new schemes before spending big. That said, you need to fill obvious holes, create competition, and add depth.I think the FO will have an excellent offseason if this leads them more in the bpa/value direction rather than needs based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnFalcon Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Good post JDave. I said this in another thread. We are building depth for the first time in a VERY long time. We are making low risk high reward moves. I am loving what Quinn is doing so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 There's a gap though, between spending 15M on a player, and just getting 3M players. I'm actually ok with this free agency, but expected a couple of 5-7M guys to go with the lower signings.For instance, this free agency, if Boling and Morgan had been signed as well, would look radically better, and we'd still be paying mostly mid tier prices and filling a lot of holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneRaysCousin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 #2 Pats won free agency last season when got Revis . Won Super BowlEnd thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Z Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Honestly I'm good with all of the moves so far and agree! Signing two high dollar FA won't win us anything! Quinn has to get his type of guys in here and build this team up through the draft! Just look at Seattles defense! It looks like Quinn is taking the same approach and I'lol wait until the season is done before I say anything! People need to calm down! We're in the NFC south! The Saints are gutting there roster, & Tampa Bay has major work to do! Killa Cam and the Panties aren't major threats either so people need to relax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I can definitely see both sides. But as much as I'd like to have the top FA to fill every hole on our team, we simply have too many holes. We're probably between $15m and $20m under the cap now. We have to sign our draft picks, so that drops it to $9m to $16m. Let's say we signed someone like Suh -- now we're out of cap room, and we still need a TE, a safety, and at least one o-lineman. Plus the team likes to carry some cash into the season for emergencies, a tactic I'm not fond of, but I can't change.We're improving the team. Are we going to win the Super Bowl this season? Very, very doubtful. Will we be better? I think we will.Agree 100% I think we will save some cap space so that we can sign julio next season and still have some space for FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 With the viewpoint that the team is in shambles, we have no depth, very little talent and there's no sense even contemplating how many seasons it will be before there is any chance of being a play-off team, I agree the players we're bringing in are just fine. Now that we have Clayborn and Schofield, with another young pass rusher coming in the first round of the draft, we should at least have some semblance of a pass rush now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchen46 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 #2 Pats won free agency last season when got Revis . Won Super BowlEnd threadYep. Not to mention, seahawks signed Avril, bennett, and traded for harvin and won that year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lubba Lubba© Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Thank you. It's very boring, but our depth has been the biggest hole for quite some time now. I'm glad Flowery Branch finally understands that. It's not glamorous, but it has to be done and better now than later.Depending on UDFA for depth isn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 We've done fine. Wish we would have sealed the deal on Morgan but we had an offer on the table that he chose not to accept,Good organizations set a value and stick to the value. We did that. I'm fine with it. We've improved and we have a long ways to do before the season starts. We're doing fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 #2Pats won free agency last season when got Revis . Won Super BowlEnd threadJesus Christ with this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 With the viewpoint that the team is in shambles, we have no depth, very little talent and there's no sense even contemplating how many seasons it will be before there is any chance of being a play-off team, I agree the players we're bringing in are just fine. Now that we have Clayborn and Schofield, with another young pass rusher coming in the first round of the draft, we should at least have some semblance of a pass rush now.Exactly. I'd love to have Houston, but if we get him, it will be next season. We aren't dropping 2 1sts on him. The others all have red flags, or retired. Morgan is the best of the bunch and he just got overpaid to stay in Nashville, which is what I figured he wanted all along. So who else would we have signed? We need to get our best pass rusher in the draft, and we also need linebacker help in the draft. Beyond that, we can focus on adding players who can help this team at other positions. RB probably chief among them, but I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a WR, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lubba Lubba© Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Jesus Christ with this....It's so easy though!*Looks at last Super Bowl winner**sees they had at least one big FA acquisition**claim that team "won" free agency* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 #2Pats won free agency last season when got Revis . Won Super BowlEnd threadNot exactly. The Bucs won FA according to nfl.com, after CUTTING Revis. Meanwhile, the Panthers lost, and yet won their division and went deep in the playoffs.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000341961/article/roster-reset-winners-and-losers-in-free-agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 It's so easy though!*Looks at last Super Bowl winner**sees they had at least one big FA acquisition**claim that team "won" free agency*He'll get himself banned again this afternoon. So let's revel in the glory before the banhammer strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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