THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 i think getting 3 or 4 guys cable of producting anywhere form 5 to 10 sacks is the best thing to do your not depending on one or two guys injuries at that point aren't as impactful as the fall off isn't that big and having depth also helps them in the draft so they don't have to reach to fill a position.I think what this does is it gives them options in the draft quinn can really be picky and go after the guy he wants or take best player available and not feel the need to get his guy at 8 if he isn't there which he likely won't be its likely going to be go with the undersized all effort Shane Ray or the extremely raw talent in Randy Gregory both massive gambles and lots of question marks.Oli Kikaha,Marcus golden,preston smith,Nate Orchard,Eli harold,Alvin Dupree,Owa Odighizuwa are all good pass rushing prospects and likely most can be had in round 2Alvin dupree would be a great pick if he makes it past 20but if the two top guys are gone{Flowers and Beasley} who would be the best pick Amare Cooper,Kevin White,Devante Parker,Danny Shelton,Trae Wyanes?yea some will say Ray but hes an all effort guy and not nearly as talented as beasley or flower and Gregory is very talented but very raw and we all found out what raw talent does just look back to Jamaal Anderson.Beasley,Flower,Williams or any of the top three WRs in Copper White nad parker would all be great picks and all be high impact guys day 1.like the game plan they have in the guys there signing and bringing in for vists there building depth which will open up the draft and allow them to take the best player available at there picks.it would be a different defense if they added Durant,Reed,Clayborn,Morgan and added another talented guy like Bowers(who may remind quinn of bennett) threw free agency then the bonus would be to either add Flowers or Beasley threw the draft but any of the three WRs would have major impacts as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 We need more than a good pass rushing prospect. None of the options we sign now are likely to turn out to be elite, and even "great" is asking a bit much. We need to target players in the draft badly, and one as front-loaded with pass rushers as this draft is precisely the right draft to do that in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Reg Da Commish Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 You still take Beasley or Ray or Fowler at 8.Then in the 2nd round, you have options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 i think getting 3 or 4 guys cable of producting anywhere form 5 to 10 sacks is the best thing to do your not depending on one or two guys injuries at that point aren't as impactful as the fall off isn't that big and having depth also helps them in the draft so they don't have to reach to fill a position.I think what this does is it gives them options in the draft quinn can really be picky and go after the guy he wants or take best player available and not feel the need to get his guy at 8 if he isn't there which he likely won't be its likely going to be go with the undersized all effort Shane Ray or the extremely raw talent in Randy Gregory both massive gambles and lots of question marks.Oli Kikaha,Marcus golden,preston smith,Nate Orchard,Eli harold,Alvin Dupree,Owa Odighizuwa are all good pass rushing prospects and likely most can be had in round 2Alvin dupree would be a great pick if he makes it past 20but if the two top guys are gone{Flowers and Beasley} who would be the best pick Amare Cooper,Kevin White,Devante Parker,Danny Shelton,Trae Wyanes?yea some will say Ray but hes an all effort guy and not nearly as talented as beasley or flower and Gregory is very talented but very raw and we all found out what raw talent does just look back to Jamaal Anderson.Beasley,Flower,Williams or any of the top three WRs in Copper White nad parker would all be great picks and all be high impact guys day 1.like the game plan they have in the guys there signing and bringing in for vists there building depth which will open up the draft and allow them to take the best player available at there picks.it would be a different defense if they added Durant,Reed,Clayborn,Morgan and added another talented guy like Bowers(who may remind quinn of bennett) threw free agency then the bonus would be to either add Flowers or Beasley threw the draft but any of the three WRs would have major impacts as well.I agree that if they keep going after more OLB/DE types in free agency I think they will go elsewhere in the draft. Quinn's defense doesn't require a pass rush specialist. I think too many people are reading their own wants into the situation and not seeing what the FO seems to be doing. How many DE's and OLB's can you have on the team? There's currently big holes at MLB and at TE and at RB not to mention FS and OL. 3rd or 4th rd in the draft might be the TE. They could make Jack Niklaus a Falcon fan by drafting Nick O'leary in the 4th. How 'bout a guy named Jesse James in the 3rd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 We have been terrible at pass rushing for years. I say add as many pass rushers as we can through both FA and the draft. Even if we sign a couple before the draft, I'd still easily take Beasley or Fowler at #8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) What do we do???MOOAAAAARRRR????You can never have enough edge rushers. Edited March 11, 2015 by PeytonMannings Forehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 You still take Beasley or Ray or Fowler at 8.Then in the 2nd round, you have options.those three may not be there by 8 its making more sense that gregory will be the one to fall manly because he so raw he got by on the college level with athleticismWe need more than a good pass rushing prospect. None of the options we sign now are likely to turn out to be elite, and even "great" is asking a bit much. We need to target players in the draft badly, and one as front-loaded with pass rushers as this draft is precisely the right draft to do that in.and thats my point we need a top notch pass rusher someone cable of getting 15+ sacks like abe could before he started to decline. Not sure Ray has thats kind of upside more of an effort guy who get you 8-12 sacks if his game translate because he is undersize like beasley difference is beasley is an elite caliber athlete on the level of von miller. If an all pro caliber guy isn't there then you take that kind of player which i believe Cooper,white or parker all have very high upsides and day 1 impact exspecially playing with Ryan and Jones to command doubles but it would be sweet to get Beasley or Flower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfalconsp Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Considering it looks like we are signing zero wow guys, we still need players at every position on defense. This won't be fixed in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 We have been terrible at pass rushing for years. I say add as many pass rushers as we can through both FA and the draft. Even if we sign a couple before the draft, I'd still easily take Beasley or Fowler at #8.Anybody would take either Flower or Beasley at 8 but the closer the draft gets the more likely its looking neither one is going to be thereand but they never addressed the need as they are this offseason same need last year and they draft Hageman{not saying he's bad but he didn't fill the need}most of this was on smith and his system as it was more about versatility and get pressure not really sacks so they didn't draft guys with that one skill set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfishtom Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 So far we have how many pass rush free agents signed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Considering it looks like we are signing zero wow guys, we still need players at every position on defense. This won't be fixed in a year.what wow guy are they going to get at 8? Ray isn't a wow guy more of an effort guy Gregory is a wow talent? Flower and beasley will likely be gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 pass rusher first round, no matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 So far we have how many pass rush free agents signed ?1 and have more than likely made offers to at least two others maybe even three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 pass rusher first round, no matter whatyou forgot about Jamaal Anderson because that was the process that year didn't work out to well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfishtom Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 1 and have more than likely made offers to at least two others maybe even three who would that be ? Not Reed or Durrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 you forgot about Jamaal Anderson because that was the process that year didn't work out to wellcant live in the past, theres busts in every draft at every position. If you think you are being "safe" by taking an OT or something, you are mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconstwopercentsized Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Running back? Say both Winston and mariotta fall that probably means that the falcons needs have been taken, in this bad scenario you have to trade down and gamble on Gurley. There's two things the new team wants and has to do is run and stop the run oh and hate losing more than the love winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 It leaves them picking pass rush in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 I agree that if they keep going after more OLB/DE types in free agency I think they will go elsewhere in the draft. Quinn's defense doesn't require a pass rush specialist. I think too many people are reading their own wants into the situation and not seeing what the FO seems to be doing. How many DE's and OLB's can you have on the team? There's currently big holes at MLB and at TE and at RB not to mention FS and OL. 3rd or 4th rd in the draft might be the TE. They could make Jack Niklaus a Falcon fan by drafting Nick O'leary in the 4th. How 'bout a guy named Jesse James in the 3rd?Makes sense looking at the seahwaks they really don't have an elite top 5 pass rusher more so guys like were bringing in and then quinn is developing themif they pick one at 8 i still don't see them pick another until deep in the draft right now they have goodman,maponga,Reed add in two other guys there looking at maybe three if your including Bowers and its not like there old either Clayborn and Morgan would be huge upgrades day one with out time with quinn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 We have been terrible at pass rushing for years. I say add as many pass rushers as we can through both FA and the draft. Even if we sign a couple before the draft, I'd still easily take Beasley or Fowler at #8.Absolutely Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 cant live in the past, theres busts in every draft at every position. If you think you are being "safe" by taking an OT or something, you are mistaken. no your just donlt understand how the draft works you be one to draft a bust reachingAnderson was a big reach and bust you never reach to fill a position if the player grades out then take him but don't draft the 28th ranked player because you needed a DE/OLBer almost never works out especially high in the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 no your just donlt understand how the draft works you be one to draft a bust reachingAnderson was a big reach and bust you never reach to fill a position if the player grades out then take him but don't draft the 28th ranked player because you needed a DE/OLBer almost never works out especially high in the draftthis is the best class of pass rushers in a few seasons. We better take one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Running back? Say both Winston and mariotta fall that probably means that the falcons needs have been taken, in this bad scenario you have to trade down and gamble on Gurley. There's two things the new team wants and has to do is run and stop the run oh and hate losing more than the love winning.theres 7 picks before the falcons at least one of those will be a Qb probably two theres only three elite level DL in the draft in Flowers,beasley and williams the rest are just good solid prospects on the level of the guys were looking at signing. no way ever should a team draft a RB higher than ten even AP its to much of a gamble and peterson had what one great season and i still believe they missed the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Plow Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If the Falcons sign a bunch of good pass rushers in FA .... If my aunt has a certain body part, she would be my uncle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 this is the best class of pass rushers in a few seasons. We better take one.hahahahahathey say that every yearthe only one its really worked out in is the year julio was draftedbesides if its the deepest one then theres depth there and no need reach to take one at 8 if they sign a few more guys threw free agency if he's not a franchise type talent like beasley or Flower. so even the point your trying to make makes no sense your saying to take a DE in the deepest class in a while at 8 while there is other needs were there may not be that deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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