g-dawg Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 What do you guys think? Morgan 6'3", 261lbs/ 4.77/40Clayborn 6'3", 280lbs/ 4.78/40they seem like slightly different players to me. I believe Clayborn is strictly a 4-3 LDE and Morgan could probably play the LEO/OLB/RDE position. Neither particularly fast and I don't think signing both would have any bearing on still taking a Beasley/Ray/Fowler/Gregory at #8 - we are doing that no matter what - I'm fairly certain.What do you guys think? Morgan Only?Clayborn Only?Both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayorWest13 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam25 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think they can get both, Morgan probably will cost more but I think he still has untapped potential as a pass rusher. I think Quinn is a guy that can get a lot out of him. Clayborn has some injury concerns and may come a little cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED_N_BLACK_98 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'd roll with both. One might stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both But I'd prefer Morgan and either Hardy and draft 1 of the 4 top pass rushers or Morgan and trade for Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Don't see the fit with Clayborn. He's skill set is more that of a LDE -- which is where Morgan plays -- except he can't play LDE. He can only play on the right side because of that arm thing he has. I saw in some other threads that Clayborn would play the Michael Bennett role. Well I'm wondering how when he has to exclusively play away from the strong side of the formation. And he's not a quick-twtich speed rusher they way you'd ideally want your RDE to be. So I don't get the fit at all.Morgan only for me. Cleaner injury history and he's be able to play in his natural spot here. Edited March 11, 2015 by PeytonMannings Forehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmo_dlo Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The problem is both are LDE in my opinion, though Clayborn has played very few snaps on the right side. I don't like to play Morgan as OLB. The main value of Clayborn comes from moving inside on passing downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Don't see the fit with Clayborn. He's skill set is more that of a LDE -- which is where Morgan plays -- except he can't play LDE. He can only play on the right side because of that arm thing he has. I saw in some other threads that Clayborn would play the Michael Bennett role. Well I'm wondering how when he has to exclusively play away from the strong side of the formation. And he's not a quick-twtich speed rusher they way you'd ideally want your RDE to be. So I don't get the fit at all.Morgan only for me. Cleaner injury history and he's be able to play in his natural spot here.I think I agree w/ this. I would say "Morgan Only" - he is the more versatile player and the healthier player. A healthy Clayborn would be a decent piece to have - but you cannot count on him and - in this market - he will probably be overpaid. I would do an incentive laced or low guaranteed money deal only w/ Clayborn - if he does not do a team-friendly deal, I pass on Clayborn - if he would do a team-friendly deal - then I think it would be worth a "Both" vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmo_dlo Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Don't see the fit with Clayborn. He's skill set is more that of a LDE -- which is where Morgan plays -- except he can't play LDE. He can only play on the right side because of that arm thing he has. I saw in some other threads that Clayborn would play the Michael Bennett role. Well I'm wondering how when he has to exclusively play away from the strong side of the formation. And he's not a quick-twtich speed rusher they way you'd ideally want your RDE to be. So I don't get the fit at all.Morgan only for me. Cleaner injury history and he's be able to play in his natural spot here.I think the arm limitation is a myth. He was penciled in as the starter on the left side last year because TB acquired Johnson, so apparently they thought he could play LDE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both. One of them will get hurt. If we draft Beasley (or the best pass rusher available), we at least have 2 quality pass rushers at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 The problem is both are LDE in my opinion, though Clayborn has played very few snaps on the right side. I don't like to play Morgan as OLB. The main value of Clayborn comes from moving inside on passing downs.yep - Nascar package. On third downs, I could see something like this:LDE - Derrick MorganDT - Adrian Clayborn (kicks inside on obvious passing downs - has the bulk at 280 to hold up inside)DT - Rashede' HagemanLEO - #8 Pick - Vic Beasley/Dante Fowler/Shane Ray/Randy Gregory (in that order for me)WLB - Justin Durant (good in coverage)MLB - Paul WorrilowSLB - Brooks Reed (good in coverage, designated blitzer)that would likely bring a fairly decent passrush with that front 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBridgez Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both. Morgan will start...Clayborn will rotate in. Quinn likes guys that he can move around on defense...so with that being said, he must believe both Morgan and Clayborn can play multiple positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) The problem is both are LDE in my opinion, though Clayborn has played very few snaps on the right side. I don't like to play Morgan as OLB. The main value of Clayborn comes from moving inside on passing downs.Did he move inside in Tampa? I don't know. But I remember that issue with the Erb's Palsy when he was coming out, and I remember in Tampa, at least when he first got there, they didn't play him anywhere near the tight end because he had to be pretty much heads up on him and that weakened arm was a real issue. So, did he actually kick inside in Tampa, or is that something we all are imagining he can do?I think the arm limitation is a myth. He was penciled in as the starter on the left side last year because TB acquired Johnson, so apparently they thought he could play LDE.I know they had him penciled there last year (his only year he was actually penciled in as a LDE) and he I know that he only played one game there. Wind up going down with of all things a biceps injury.. Edited March 11, 2015 by PeytonMannings Forehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If we sign both, I doubt we go DE/OLB at #8, which means that I hope we don't sign both...if for no other reason than that I couldn't handle the message board rants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfalcons8107 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Morgan and Hardy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanish_falcon Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both. Or Morgan, but definitely not only Claiborn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 yep - Nascar package. On third downs, I could see something like this:LDE - Derrick MorganDT - Adrian Clayborn (kicks inside on obvious passing downs - has the bulk at 280 to hold up inside)DT - Rashede' HagemanLEO - #8 Pick - Vic Beasley/Dante Fowler/Shane Ray/Randy Gregory (in that order for me)WLB - Justin Durant (good in coverage)MLB - Paul WorrilowSLB - Brooks Reed (good in coverage, designated blitzer)that would likely bring a fairly decent passrush with that front 7in before Psychic Gibbon tells me I have the personnel grouping positions all wrong - lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmo_dlo Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Did he move inside in Tampa? I don't know. But I remember that issue with the Erb's Palsy when he was coming out, and I remember in Tampa, at least when he first got there, they didn't play him anywhere near the tight end because he had to be pretty much heads up on him and that weakened arm was a real issue. So, did he actually kick inside in Tampa, or is that something we all are imagining he can do?I'm pretty sure he did, and I clearly remember him creating pressure against Ryan from the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both and Schofield. But the primary target has to be Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both and Schofield. But the primary target has to be Morgan.I think I would rather have Morgan and a cheaper cost(Schofield) than a more expensive(Clayborn). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Mingus Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both. Or Morgan, but definitely not only ClaibornThis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa_Falcon_Fan Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both. I'm higher on Morgan than I am on Clayborn, but they both could be valuable contributors. Morgan would the priority because he doesn't have the injury history but I think adding both would give us a lot of options defensively... especially if Clayborn can get over the injury bug he's had early in his career.Don't forget who our head coach is... and how he brought in more pass rushers to an already stacked group of pass rushers in Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hardy expecting 2 game suspension and will limit his guarantee money. Time to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'd take both. We need all the help we can get, especially since we're stocking up on 2nd tier guys. We need competition and depth. While we'll get a stud in the 1st round in all likelihood, pass rushers usually don't beast their rookie season. 2 pass rushers in FA and one in the draft, plus the depth we have will give us options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Both and Schofield. But the primary target has to be Morgan.Winner! If I can only choose two, Schofield and Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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