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If Ronda and Dana had said they will make Gina Carano get to 135 before a fight with the champ i would say Cyborg needs to get to 135. But both were willing to fight at a catchweight for the title. Why do it for Gina and not Cyborg? Which one is the most dangerous to Ronda's title? That's why it seems like they are scared. Not saying they are but it looks like it

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If Ronda and Dana had said they will make Gina Carano get to 135 before a fight with the champ i would say Cyborg needs to get to 135. But both were willing to fight at a catchweight for the title. Why do it for Gina and not Cyborg? Which one is the most dangerous to Ronda's title? That's why it seems like they are scared. Not saying they are but it looks like it

Again, what does Rousey have to gain from moving up to fight someone much larger who has been hounded by PED allegations for years?

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Again, what does Rousey have to gain from moving up to fight someone much larger who has been hounded by PED allegations for years?

about the same she had to gain going to 140 and fighting Gina. If she doesn't want to fight Cyborg cause of the PEDs just say it. That would be a legitimate reason. Fighting up isn't a problem for her since she said she would do it against a woman that hasn't fought since 2009. I mean she would wash Gina in the first round. Cyborg presents a challenge unlike any other woman to Ronda. There is no legitimate reason for her to agree to 140 with Gina and not 140 with Cyborg. Just isn't. It's Mayweather all over again. Ronda is Money and Cyborg is Manny Pacquiao
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A true champ doesn't duck the best opponents. Ever since Rousey became champion Cyborg has been widely known to be the top challenger to the title. Yet all this time Dana hasn't signed Cyborg to make it happen. The reasons are obvious as Mono and I have pointed out:

1. Rousey will likely lose.

2. Cyborg be ugly - wouldn't be a popular champ.

3. Rousey is skeered.

Crazy talk... if Cyborg makes it down to 135, Rousey would take her apart... like all the rest of Ronda's mouthy challengers.

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I am really surprised that there are so many people who think think Cyborg would actually beat Ronda. Ronda is called the one trick pony but Cyborg is the true one trick pony. She has never won a fight by submission in her whole career. She lunges at her opponents constantly but gets away with it against scrubs, but that is the behavior that Rousey turns into an instant arm bar submission over and over.

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about the same she had to gain going to 140 and fighting Gina. If she doesn't want to fight Cyborg cause of the PEDs just say it. That would be a legitimate reason. Fighting up isn't a problem for her since she said she would do it against a woman that hasn't fought since 2009. I mean she would wash Gina in the first round. Cyborg presents a challenge unlike any other woman to Ronda. There is no legitimate reason for her to agree to 140 with Gina and not 140 with Cyborg. Just isn't. It's Mayweather all over again. Ronda is Money and Cyborg is Manny Pacquiao

It's really very simple. She likes and respects Gina and knows how important Gina Carano was to making women't MMA fighting popular. She doesn't respect Cris Cyborg so she isn't doing sh*t for her. Way too much is made of that Carano comment though, that fight was never going to happen.

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Alexis Davis trains with the same camp that trains Nate and Nick Diaz, which is part of the Cesar Gracie lineage. IOW, Alexis Davis has a black belt in BJJ from a Gracie camp. Hardly some kind of scrub.

Also, I don't think you quite understand the nature of judo. It incorporates a ton of the same submission and grappling techniques as jujitsu. In other words, it's more than just a bunch of throws. It's essentially a variant of Japanese jujitsu, which means that Rousey has more training and at a higher level of training than Cyborg in terms of grappling.

Would Cyborg beat Rousey? No idea. Her size and weight would be an advantage to her, so that might make up the difference. But to call Cyborg a "world class BJJ specialist" while ignoring the training of people that Rousey beat easily seems silly to me.

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She looked good enough against fellow purple belts. Didn't see anything that was jaw dropping or super technical in that video.

And again, someone who wins a competition against fellow BJJ purple belts is not a "world class BJJ specialist" compared to someone with a black belt in BJJ from a Gracie camp (and another black belt in Japanese jujitsu).

You're trying to build up Cyborg as some kind of elite BJJ specialist and she's not. She's a great fighter, undoubtedly, but she's not in that elite class in terms of women's BJJ.

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Actually, a purple belt knows the vast majority of techniques a black belt does in BJJ. The biggest difference is the ability to fluidly string moves together and experience. That's why you routinely see purple belts sub black belts in BJJ competition.

I'm not going to weigh in on the Rousey/Cyborg debate, because honestly I don't watch either of them enough to have an opinion. I am acquainted with a number of high level MMA fighters, and one in particular who has trained with ATT for the last 8 years. His opinion seems to be that the notion that either of them should be competing against men is preposterous. I'm not sure if he has an opinion on whether a fight between those two would be fair or not, but I might ask him if I have a chance.

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Rousey is better in judo than Cyborg is in jujitsu, or pretty much anything else. It's hilarious that you keep showing Cyborg in these grappling tournaments but then discount all of the accomplished fighters that Rousey has steamrolled in professional MMA fights.

That ties in with what I said above too. Matt Hughes was never a BJJ black belt, didn't compete, etc. And yet he submitted a ton of BJJ specialists in the UFC. I'm not sure you can draw comparisons one way or another between BJJ or Judo competition and what someone will do in the UFC. The skillset is completely different. It overlaps for sure, but having a black belt in BJJ or Judo, or winning competitions, doesn't really translate to an MMA fight the way you might think it would. It's the fighter first and the training second that wins or loses MMA fights. I don't think Olympic level judo or the worlds or any other non-MMA competition really tells us a lot about who will win an MMA fight.

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Actually, a purple belt knows the vast majority of techniques a black belt does in BJJ. The biggest difference is the ability to fluidly string moves together and experience. That's why you routinely see purple belts sub black belts in BJJ competition.

I'm not going to weigh in on the Rousey/Cyborg debate, because honestly I don't watch either of them enough to have an opinion. I am acquainted with a number of high level MMA fighters, and one in particular who has trained with ATT for the last 8 years. His opinion seems to be that the notion that either of them should be competing against men is preposterous. I'm not sure if he has an opinion on whether a fight between those two would be fair or not, but I might ask him if I have a chance.

And my point about the belts wasn't that Cyborg couldn't beat Rousey (or BJJ black belts for that matter). It was that she is not in an elite class of women BJJ specialists. Black belts, as you say, have better technique and more experience. SB wants to hold up Cyborg as some kind of "best of the best" in BJJ while ignoring the experience and background of some of Rousey's opponents. Alexis Davis is not some kind of scrub, as SB seems to think.

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That ties in with what I said above too. Matt Hughes was never a BJJ black belt, didn't compete, etc. And yet he submitted a ton of BJJ specialists in the UFC. I'm not sure you can draw comparisons one way or another between BJJ or Judo competition and what someone will do in the UFC. The skillset is completely different. It overlaps for sure, but having a black belt in BJJ or Judo, or winning competitions, doesn't really translate to an MMA fight the way you might think it would. It's the fighter first and the training second that wins or loses MMA fights. I don't think Olympic level judo or the worlds or any other non-MMA competition really tells us a lot about who will win an MMA fight.

Exactly, which is why I don't think we can know who would win a Rousey-Cyborg fight. But I don't think anyone would call Matt Hughes a "world class BJJ specialist". A helluva fighter and one of the best in the history of UFC, sure. But there are a ton of people who are better at BJJ than him, even if he would beat them in the UFC consistently.

I think the Matt Hughes comparison is very appropriate here because Cyborg sort of fits that same mold. Not an elite specialist, but someone with enough skills combined with great physical attributes that translates well into MMA competitions.

Again, SB wants to paint Cyborg as this elite, best of the best BJJ specialist and it's just not true.

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I guess you missed this part:

Venla Luukkonen, who Cyborg beat in the 2012 worlds is the current 2014 super-heavyweight BJJ black belt world champion. --> http://static.ibjjfd...-US/Results.pdf

So basically Cyborg beat the biggest and baddest female BJJ woman on the planet. Which clearly means Cyborg is one of the best competition female BJJ practitioners in the world.

Cyborg is definitely as good at BJJ as Rousey is at Judo, on a competition level.

And we can all agree that Cyborg is stronger and is the superior striker.

You can see why Rousey has been ducking her ever since Strikeforce.

Ummmm...Cyborg beat her when both of them were purple belts in 2012. Your link shows Luukkonen winning the black belt competition two years later. So not sure what you think this proves, exactly.

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B.J. Penn, who is one of my favorite all time fighters, was a world class BJJ specialist. He won the worlds right after earning his black belt in under 4 years. And he routinely got his *** handed to him in MMA fights.

He also dished out his share, to be entirely fair, but he never had the career of someone like Matt Hughes, who trucked nearly everyone they put in front of him until he got old and ran into Georges St. Pierre. Some things just come down to a better fighter and better all around training. If you have a hole in your game, a great fighter will exploit it. That's why you rarely see someone with a ton of longevity winning the same way all the time. Chuck Lidell may be a notable exception to that. Even Silva subbed people in MMA competition (though he was a black belt himself, to be fair).

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The Matt Hughes comparison is actually even more appropriate in hindsight.

Matt Hughes beat Royce Gracie. Does that mean that Matt Hughes is better at BJJ than Royce Gracie? Nobody in their right mind would say he is. Hughes was the better fighter (and in fairness, Royce was much older at the time), but not the better BJJ specialist.

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I guess you missed this part:

Venla Luukkonen, who Cyborg beat in the 2012 worlds is the current 2014 super-heavyweight BJJ black belt world champion. --> http://static.ibjjfd...-US/Results.pdf

So basically Cyborg beat the biggest and baddest female BJJ woman on the planet. Which clearly means Cyborg is one of the best competition female BJJ practitioners in the world.

Cyborg is definitely as good at BJJ as Rousey is at Judo, on a competition level.

And we can all agree that Cyborg is stronger and is the superior striker.

You can see why Rousey has been ducking her ever since Strikeforce.

She has been "ducking" her because she fights in a heavier weight class and has already been popped for PEDs. No one seems to want to answer my question. What exactly does Rousey have to gain in moving up to a non-existent weight class to fight someone larger and with a history of PED use?

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She has been "ducking" her because she fights in a heavier weight class and has already been popped for PEDs. No one seems to want to answer my question. What exactly does Rousey have to gain in moving up to a non-existent weight class to fight someone larger and with a history of PED use?

And what would it prove?

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Rhonda Rousey is not the best in the world until she beats Cyborg.

Gina Carano was the champ and Cyborg beat her. Cyborg has not lost a MMA fight since. That makes her a rightful champ. To be the best you've got to beat the best. Rhonda's not the #1 in the world as long as she ducks Cyborg.

This reminds me of when Tyson ducked Holyfield and Foreman when he was the champ. It was only when Holyfield was the champ that Tyson would fight him.

Is Anthony Pettis not the best in the world until he beats Cain Velasquez?

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They fight in different weight classes so the matter of who is best has to be a matter of opinion. Most sane people can see that Rhonda Rousey is the baddest woman on the planet. I've seen Cyborg get her azz kicked. I haven't seen Rousey come close to being defeated in any kind of professional fight.

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