etherdome Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I can't say whether this is a good thing or not. I don't know these guys at all. What I can say is that I lose confidence in this team's leadership every day. Good luck to Scotty and Tommy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 This isn't a major change.Pioli is responsible for the scouting and pro personnel sections/staff. That doesn't mean that he personally does all of the scouting and evaluation and TD makes decisions based off scouting done entirely by Pioli. There are teams of people doing a lot of that work, as Pioli is responsible for them and for the structure of those parts of a organisation.TD retains the final say on personnel matters, and is therefore going to dong his own tape studies etc (probably in collaboration with Pioli) as part of that, to supplement the reams of scouting reports and other info generated by the scouting and pro personnel departments. I might be wrong, but I fully expect TD and Pioli to be working the combine and pro days etc together as they did last year.As for the new coaching staff, they will have just as much input as before. We are a collaborative organisation and the brain trust share opinions and work together to try to determine what the best decisions are. TD has final say over personnel matters, but that dosn't man that he imposes his will without regard to the views ans wishes of others. The whole point of a collaborative organisation is that you listen to others and sometimes agree to go with their views on issues - as TD did when he agreed to add run stuffing DL over pass rushers as per Smith/Nolan's wishes in 2014, even though his personal preference was to prioritise the pass ruch instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Seems like they are splitting up the GM position into two uniquely different parts. Very intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Berry , Houston , Poe. I think he's a upgrade.speaking of..... Get well soon E.B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Big fan. Told yall the TD Pioli pairing is the best thing we can get right now. They we solid on their own but could be very lethal together, especially with a HC who can spot talent as well and knows how to use it in their scheme. Will be interesting to see how this all works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dirty Bird Nation ® Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 TD>PioliDimi has better record than Pioli, don't like this move at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiccolas Cage Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 1. This didn't happen in the 12 hours since Rex's interview. Furthermore, Rex didn't demand the Falcons restructure the FO for him to maybe sign. You don't let a potential coach dictate your executive structure. This has been in the works since the end of the season, and this is EXACTLY what Blank was evasively hinting at in the end of season presser. He NEVER said he would let the new coach decide if TD stayed or went, NEVER. That was pure media speculation. He said things might change in the front office, and that for the time being TD was the GM, and he would let everyone know if things changed. Well, he just let us know. 2. TD might have final say on the draft and FA, but it's final say over the players Pioli scouts and brings to him. 3. I like it.Exactly.It was never going to be the new coach's decision whether to TD. The idea that we would appoint a coach and then tell him he could fire TD if he wanted, was nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 This isn't a major change. Pioli is responsible for the scouting and pro personnel sections/staff. That doesn't mean that he personally does all of the scouting and evaluation and TD makes decisions based of it. There are teams of people doing a lot of that work, as Pioli is responsible for them and for the structure of those parts of a organisation. TD retains the final say on personnel matters, and is therefore going to dong his own tape studies etc (probably in collaboration with Pioli) as part of that, to supplement the reams of scouting reports and other info generated by the scouting and pro personnel departments. I might be wrong, but I fully expect TD and Pioli to be working the combine and pro days etc together as they did last year. As for the new coaching staff, they will have just as much input as before. We are a collaborative organisation and the brain trust share opinions and work together to try to determine what the best decisions are. TD has final say over personnel matters, but that dosn't man that he imposes his will without regard to others. The whole point of a collaborative organisation is that you listen to others and sometimes agree to go with their views on issues - as TD did when he agreed to add run stuffing DL over pass rushers as per Smith/Nolan's wishes n 2014, even though his personal preference was to prioritise the pass ruch instead.Exactly. It means "TD if you see your HC demanding some stupid shlt like going big over establishing a pass rush, overrule him based on what you and Pioli agree on". I'm excited about the TD Pioli tandem. They know each other and obviously work well together, based on last year. People don't want to accept the underlined here, even after it's been proven. TD and Pioli got Smitty and Nolan exactly what they asked for. It's not their fault it busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me4falcons Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sound like Rex will have major input in personnel issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sound like Rex will have major input in personnel issues.TD, Pioli and Rex is potentially SB caliber. Say what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 TD, Pioli and Rex is potentially SB caliber. Say what you want.I expect they we'll find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Exactly. It means "TD if you see your HC demanding some stupid shlt like going big over establishing a pass rush, overrule him based on what you and Pioli agree on".I'm excited about the TD Pioli tandem. They know each other and obviously work well together, based on last year. People don't want to accept the underlined here, even after it's been proven. TD and Pioli got Smitty and Nolan exactly what they asked for. It's not their fault it busted.There are times where it is almost inevitable that the GM is going to defer to others, in my view. Otherwise, you have dysfunctional organisation where people aren't on the same page.If the coaching staff decide that they want to run a particular scheme, surely no GM is going to force them to run a different scheme by drafting for a different scheme that the prefers. Similarly if they tell the GM that they need a particular player type to make their scheme work, or that a particular area of the team needs to be prioritised, any GM is going to attach a lot of weight to that any try to accommodate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons&Bulldogs#1Fan Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Rex probably told Blank he would prefer Pioli drafting players and this was a nice way to keep TD whose good with the cap on payroll while giving in to Rex's request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hoopah! Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Rex probably told Blank he would prefer Pioli drafting players and this was a nice way to keep TD whose good with the cap on payroll while giving in to Rex's request.No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddyyoudaman Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm sure TD was on board with this, and that it was discussed between the entire front office. Whether TD wanted it to happen or not, he will either deal or find a new home. @AlbertBreer Source says Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff retains final say and will be responsible for picking players. Vision is like Baltimore's model.' class="bbc_url">@AlbertBreer Dimitroff's "final say" is over Falcons' draft and free agency. Final say over the 53-man roster still not determined, could go to the coachSo it's not like TD has lost total control, just sharing the load. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dawnofthembirds, Ozzie is also IN CHARGE of player personell and scouting. DeCosta assists Ozzie in those depts. TD has been canned from these duties.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dawnofthembirds, Ozzie is also IN CHARGE of player personell and scouting. DeCosta assists Ozzie in those depts. TD has been canned from these duties..You are clueless. Read what is presented to you slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 "TD brought in Pioli" lol.. And I guarantee you he had some help doing so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putnam6 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I kind of like it.Dimitroff got Piollied LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Pioli isn't any better at talent evaluation and drafting than TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You know what's hilarious.This is EXACTLY the opposite of the braves.We all wanted Wren and fredi fired. Only the GM was fired.Then they said a GM would get to decide his coach. They then kept the coach and stayed in house for the GM.Since they retained Fredi, I have the Braves on IGNORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 But Pioli still reports to TD. This is just like when McKay flopped on Petrino hire. Blank just played a shell game and gave him a new title but he has still been having input on players. Bottom line Blank just needs to quit playing games with people of Atlanta ,thinking we are stupid. I'd rather him just come out and say " I like TD, I like McKay, and I like Scott. They are my fiends and even though they can't draft worth a crap, I know if they weren't here I have no one else that could do it. I'm 72 years old and I don't feel like making new friends. So I'd rather have the same results and no Lombardi trophy and have people around me that I can kick around. McKay is pretty good with the cap so if you don't like it, go buy your own football team." Just tell it like it is. Quit trying to make everything so corporate. This is the NFL. Say it like a man.Will people stop saying McKay is responsible for the cap as a slight on TD. This was posted earlier (see below) - note the key word 'Retain'@FalconsJAdams: Dimitroff will also retain management responsibility for salary cap, player affairs, equipment, sports medicine and performance, and video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlack&Red Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 At least Pioli can draft LBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 There are times where it is almost inevitable that the GM is going to defer to others, in my view. Otherwise, you have dysfunctional organisation where people aren't on the same page. If the coaching staff decide that they want to run a particular scheme, surely no GM is going to force them to run a different scheme by drafting for a different scheme that the prefers. Similarly if they tell the GM that they need a particular player type to make their scheme work, or that a particular area of the team needs to be prioritised, any GM is going to attach a lot of weight to that any try to accommodate it.That's how it should be. That's how the good GM/HC combos work. The GM may have final say, but the HC has a lot of weight because he has to make the roster produce. If the HC sees the talent different than the GM, you get the 2014 Falcons. I just hope our new HC runs with two pass rushers at once to begin with. The rest will be gravy. I'm sure TD was on board with this, and that it was discussed between the entire front office. Whether TD wanted it to happen or not, he will either deal or find a new home. @AlbertBreer Source says Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff retains final say and will be responsible for picking players. Vision is like Baltimore's model. ' class="bbc_url">@AlbertBreer Dimitroff's "final say" is over Falcons' draft and free agency. Final say over the 53-man roster still not determined, could go to the coach So it's not like TD has lost total control, just sharing the load. I like it.People don't care about facts here. They just stick with what makes sense to them. I like this structure. TD is still GM but it's a partnership between he and Pioli, with TD being the one bringing home the bacon. But the HC has to make the roster produce so he gets final say there, which makes sense. Not like TD was driving the ship on the roster anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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