Falconus Prime Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hageman and Trufant are the only 2 stars/potential stars on our defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 What is with the Joshie love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconus Prime Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Put Hageman beside Suh and then see where our defense is going. We need to build around that for 5-6 years. We talking Super Bowl pressure coming from our D line. put Mass on one side and a 1st rounder on the other. 2--4 round all linebackers unless Gurley is at our 2nd pick. No gurley put FA. Few mid level guys for backup lineman and we are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Falcons fans just want to win a Super Bowl and Arthur Blank just wants a coach that will sell tickets. Rex will solve neither of these problems. Falcons need to get a coach that can build a Championship structure then that coach needs to bring a GM and front office that drafts the types of players he wants. We are going about this azz backwards. TD, Pioli, McKay should have all kicked the bricks a week ago and Blank should be interviewing coaches that have a track record of HEAD coaching success whether at a NCAA or a NFL level. A winner is a winner. Then let the coach bring in his people.mclay is omly over the business side of things, TD took over football operations from him in 08.Imo he has done his job, he got author's stadium in place to be built. He look relaxed in that press confrence lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The difference is Smitty and Peyton at least pay attention to the game when their team is on the field.Rex as admitted to just ignoring the game while his offense on the field being to caught up in making defensive adjustments.thats why he needs a competitent OC who can take care of that side of the ball.. he just had bad luck with not only QBs but OCs as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 thats why he needs a competitent OC who can take care of that side of the ball.. he just had bad luck with not only QBs but OCs as well.ehh I am not buying the " bad luck" of with OC's... he hired 3 of them.And his bad OC's have contributed to bad QB play.Geno Smith has physical talent............ but his development as an nfl passer is next to zero..... and that falls squarely on the coaching staff.Sanchez is a good game manage... let him throw it 20-25 times a game while running as much and give him high % throws and he can win.Rex's offensive staffs have sucked.. and that rolls up to the head guy.... just like Smitty's defensive staffs sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Rex did have a lively locker room. I can say that. One reason why Woody Johnson forced them to trade for Tim Tebow. It was a PR move all the way. Doubt many people here knows that thoughnah man, people with the agenda will ***** about his drafting Sanchez all day, before bothering to do some research and see he was the only QB worth a **** they could have gotten in the draft or free agency. or that Itzik forced Geno on him, and the owner forced Tebow on him, how do people explain Tebow playing so few snaps if Rex wasted him there? I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 If he came I'd support him, but you can't deny he's got potential for walking disaster written all over him. He's not my pick but if he comes I'd love to be proven wrong.pretty much everyone else we interviewed has a higher chance to bust because they are bigger unknowns. With Rex you pretty much know what you will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 nah man, people with the agenda will ***** about his drafting Sanchez all day, before bothering to do some research and see he was the only QB worth a **** they could have gotten in the draft or free agency. or that Itzik forced Geno on him, and the owner forced Tebow on him, how do people explain Tebow playing so few snaps if Rex wasted him there? I digress. Link to where the GM forced Tebow on him? Not that i don't believe you, but i am curious as to how he ended up with Tebow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOYLE Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 yeah they aren't the same. Rex is a great defensive coachMike Nolan compares favorably to Ryan and he just gotSmitty fired using our current personnel. Spoon, Spruill, 23,and Willy Mo should be back and that would have given usa better defense without a coaching change. Whoever comesin should have a leg up with a defensively focused draft andfree agent possibilities. Rex Ryan is a giant step backwards from where we were.Smitty had hired competent and experienced coordinatorsto come in and handle the offense and defense and he gavethem the freedom to do their best with what we have. This iswhat we got. It was either a half baked cake or one with somekey ingredients missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Any time you can fire a coach that won 59% of his games for a coach that won 48% of his games, you HAVE to make that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpiper Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Falcon fans are so desperate to have a defense that they are willing to bring in another retread failed coach to get it. When he runs 9-7 and can't make it past the 2nd round of the play-offs and starts his class clown antics Falcon fans will ask why and we will be right back where we are today. Ryan is a patch work coach. Falcons need a whole organizational change. need to clean out front office from McKay on down. Bring in a championship caliber HEAD coach that can implement a winning system and let that coach bring in his own staff and GM. Falcons are going about this whole thing backwards. Running it like a Fortune 500 company and not a NFL franchise. Playing office politics, having GMs competing for their jobs, when solution is simple. Clean house and rebuild. Your house is only as strong as its foundation and Falcons foundation is poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 IMO most people who are pushing the Ryan for Falcons HC campaign think, think they will be getting the great defensive coordinator and position coach and not the head coach with the worse cumulative record than Smitty.Someone in a post above mentioned the unknown commodities that the hot coordinators are (Quinn and Bowles are my 2 favorites).That's true, no one knows for certain how Quinn or Bowles will do as head coaches in the NFL. But we have all seen how Rex Ryan performs as a head coach.Ryan could change, but which route is riskier? Going with a good coordinator who doesn't have a record as a head coach yet or taking the guy with a head coaching record that includes several red flags and hoping he has learned from his errors?I spent the last 2 years hoping and praying that Smith would learn and adapt from his errors. He never did. If anything he got progressively worse.I'm tired of that "hoping for a change in this coach" mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 IMO most people who are pushing the Ryan for Falcons HC campaign think, think they will be getting the great defensive coordinator and position coach and not the head coach with the worse cumulative record than Smitty.Someone in a post above mentioned the unknown commodities that the hot coordinators are (Quinn and Bowles are my 2 favorites).That's true, no one knows for certain how Quinn or Bowles will do as head coaches in the NFL. But we have all seen how Rex Ryan performs as a head coach.Ryan could change, but which route is riskier? Going with a good coordinator who doesn't have a record as a head coach yet or taking the guy with a head coaching record that includes several red flags and hoping he has learned from his errors?I spent the last 2 years hoping and praying that Smith would learn and adapt from his errors. He never did. If anything he got progressively worse.I'm tired of that "hoping for a change in this coach" mentality.AFMB 2014 Season: "BOO HOO! We signed a guy that once played for the Jags! LOSERS!"AFMB 2015 off-season: "LET'S HIRE A FIRED JETS COACH!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpiper Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Gritz, Falcons front office is poor and letting media decide their coach. Quinn has had 7 differnet jobs with 7 differnent teams in the last 7 years and Bowles was not retained by Philly after 2012 as their defensive coordinator. A smart franchise see this as red flags and stays away. If they were so great they wouldn't be hoping around so much, other franchises would pay to keep them. First off Blank needs to be doing interviews on his own. He doesn't need TD, McKay, Pioli, or Banner in these interviews with him. All 4 of these individuals have shown no ability to hire the right person so what are they even doing here? Pioli- Fired by KC, Banner- Fired by Cleveland, McKay-hired Bobby Petrino, TD- Underqualified. What is Blank trying to accomplish take 4 sub standard employees and hope to make them 1 good one. Not going to work. He needs to clean out front office and then hire a coach he likes, quit listening to ESPN and other media outlets because ALL of those clown never played a down of football. Have you seen John Clayton? Exactly. He needs a CHAMPIONSHIP caliber coach that comes in with a clean slate and can bring in his own staff and hire his own GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Gritz, Falcons front office is poor and letting media decide their coach. Quinn has had 7 differnet jobs with 7 differnent teams in the last 7 years and Bowles was not retained by Philly after 2012 as their defensive coordinator. A smart franchise see this as red flags and stays away. If they were so great t. First off Blank needs to be doing interviews on his own. He doesn't need TD, McKay, Pioli, or Banner in these interviews with him. All 4 of these individuals have shown no ability to hire the right person so what are they even doing here? Pioli- Fired by KC, Banner- Fired by Cleveland, McKay-hired Bobby Petrino, TD- Underqualified. What is Blank trying to accomplish take 4 sub standard employees and hope to make them 1 good one. Not going to work. He needs to clean out front office and then hire a coach he likes, quit listening to ESPN and other media outlets because ALL of those clown never played a down of football. Have you seen John Clayton? Exactly. He needs a CHAMPIONSHIP caliber coach that comes in with a clean slate and can bring in his own staff and hire his own GM.I guess I'd respect your post more if you had your basic facts right.In the past 7 years Dan Quinn has only been employed by 3 teams, which is hardly all that unusual for a guy trying to climb his way up the coaching ranks:New York Jets-Defensive Line coach (2007-2008)Seattle Seahawks-Defensive Quality Control & Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Line Coach (2009-2010)Florida Gators-Defensive Coordinator-(2011-2012)Seattle Seahawks again-(2013-present)The Seahawks, one of the most powerful and consistent defenses in the NFL from the past 4 years or so paid Dan Quinn handsomely to come back and be their coordinator so that kinda blows your "they wouldn't be hoping around so much, other franchises would pay to keep them" theory doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I honestly don't care who they chose to hire. Gonna support him from the start regardless. No matter who it is, we all will ***** and moan when they **** up and we will call him the greatest ever while winning. That's a simple fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconus Prime Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Its pretty simple for me.... I ready a few articles that said the reason Arthur Blank liked Rex Ryan, was because he wants to move away from the "Falcon's Filter" and wanted a HC that has proven he could manage high baggage players.If this is the true reason for our interest in Rex Ryan, I'M ALL FOR IT!If this means SUH I'm all for it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The thing with Bowles and Quinn is they came into very good situations and haven't really proven themselves. I rather gamble on a H.C going on his second stint, as those tend to be better the second time around with experience (fox, carol, belichek, Caldwell, Reid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Flare Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Warmth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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raysnill1 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The thing with Bowles and Quinn is they came into very good situations and haven't really proven themselves. I rather gamble on a H.C going on his second stint, as those tend to be better the second time around with experience (fox, carol, belichek, Caldwell, Reid).Just think, it was just a few years ago people said Caldwell had no reason being an NFL head coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 All I've seen the past 4 yrs are folks calling this guy a clown, an idiot, or whatever and now all of a sudden it's a Rex luv-fest gallore on this msgb. What had he done 2 deserve this? And pleeeeeassee don't tell me it's because of those 2 appearances in the AFC championship (both losses btw) cause that's only ONE more than Smitty had....thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ7000 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 its not the coach its the machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Given the intellect of many of the folk on this here message board, I'm surprised that there aren't 15 or 20 'Hire Deion' threads going right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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