Should I Feel Bad For Wanting A Top 10 Pick More Than I Want To Make The Playoffs

[O D B]

Yes because we can make the playoffs and still get the #13 pick in the draft.

[Falcon2]

Regardless of what happens Blank better clean house, hopefully hard knocks and all the extra garbage will take a backseat to getting a solid Coach and a defense. This draft wasn't as bad as most of the past drafts. Whatever will get us Gurley i'm all for it.

[g-dawg]

Yes because we can make the playoffs and still get the #13 pick in the draft.

WRONG!!!!

All 12 playoff teams, regardless of record, pick at the end of the first round. If Falcons made playoffs and lost in first round, they would pick #21.

[Tuggle'2]

Fans can feel how they want to. It has no effect on what the team does and what they want.

[g-dawg]

Fans can feel how they want to. It has no effect on what the team does and what they want.

agreed. I don't get the moral outrage.

[Longsuffrin66]

I don't care what happens. I know this...I'm not ordering playoff tickets or season tickets next year.

No matter how these last two games shake out I'm not renewing

36 yrs is enough

[theDIRTYcode]

We ain't competing for a Lombardi, you got no reason to be ashamed. Take the top 10 pick, its how San Fran built, Detroit built, play for the trophy when you are legitimate...not some BS team that is playing because....well somebody has to.

[Supes™]

There is no case or scenario where I could ever say or even think; "Man, I hope we lose this game today!" ESPECIALLY TO THE F'ING SAINTS!!!

This (merged) thread has been a revelation. Falcons fans that want to lose to the Saints. I've seen it all now.

[Lornoth]

Falcons fans that want to lose to the Saints. I've seen it all now.

Such a thing does not exist mate.

[Guest facelessman07]

The overall point was not a trade up. It was an if we were picking 7th that year instead of 21st, well technically 25th.

It was showing an example of having a higher pick doesn't guarantee success.

And there's several examples of how a higher pick DOES guarantee success. If not then why does our gel covered friend love to trade up so much? I'd rather not sacrifice our depth just cause he gets a hard on over 1 player and just let him have those picks so he doesn't get the urge to splurge...to near the top of the round

In a year when the playoffs are virtually out of the question, what sense does it make to win 1 or 2 more games that have absolutely NO EFFECT on the year? It just drops us further down the draft board and puts us behind in the search for a new HC/GM

Ask any GM if they'd rather have a higher pick in a perfect world. You'll get a resounding "yes"

Larger pool of talent to select from = greater chance of success. It's analogous to the way Wall Street works

[FalconFanSince1970]

Fk a draft pick. Give me the playoffs. Any given Sunday son. We just beat the #1 seed and dam near beat the #2 seed in Lambeau. I hate quitter as tanker boys and mocker fockers.

[HOYLE]

Fk a draft pick. Give me the playoffs. Any given Sunday son. We just beat the #1 seed and dam near beat the #2 seed in Lambeau. I hate quitter as tanker boys and mocker fockers.

There is a whole off-season to make roster adjustments as needed. Now we still have

a season and it is a long time before next season gets here. We need to grasp this opportunity,

go on a winning streak and look back and laugh at how it all came together for us.

[FalconFanSince1970]

There is a whole off-season to make roster adjustments as needed. Now we still have

a season and it is a long time before next season gets here. We need to grasp this opportunity,

go on a winning streak and look back and laugh at how it all came together for us.

At least one poster gets it.

We went 4-12 last year and got the #6 pick of the draft. Now we're sitting at 5-9 and the mocker fockers want to tank again? How many consecutive years of tanking are they suggesting?

As I said earlier we beat the #1 seed and took the #2 seed to the brink in their house. Anything can happen. Fk tanking. Even if we get our ases handed to us in the bayou I still want to beat the brakes off the Panties. I never want to lose. Ever. There aint one tankin bone in my body. Never tank.

[freebird310]

At least one poster gets it.

We went 4-12 last year and got the #6 pick of the draft. Now we're sitting at 5-9 and the mocker fockers want to tank again? How many consecutive years of tanking are they suggesting?

As I said earlier we beat the #1 seed and took the #2 seed to the brink in their house. Anything can happen. Fk tanking. Even if we get our ases handed to us in the bayou I still want to beat the brakes off the Panties. I never want to lose. Ever. There aint one tankin bone in my body. Never tank.

I got a feeling these tanker boyz would puff a pole for a shiny red apple ......

[g-dawg]

There is no case or scenario where I could ever say or even think; "Man, I hope we lose this game today!" ESPECIALLY TO THE F'ING SAINTS!!!

This (merged) thread has been a revelation. Falcons fans that want to lose to the Saints. I've seen it all now.

Supes, y'know I respect you man. The problem is you are presuming what others are feeling.

I don't think anybody-ANYBODY-"feels good" about a Falcons loss - ever. It is not a happy occasion. If Falcons lose the game to the dreaded Saints - I'm not going to feel good about it.

Losing this week - forget the opponent - is simply something that would likely lead to better/higher draft picks - assuming Falcons get a competant GM. Winning this week will feel good - but it is empty calories.

[FalconFanSince1970]

Losing this week - forget the opponent - is simply something that would likely lead to better/higher draft picks

Come on G-Dawg. If anyone knows you know there are plenty good players to be had in the bottom third of every round. Even with an inept GM. See Trufant.

[HOYLE]

Our scouts have had all season to look over the college crop.

The worthwhile free agents aren't free at this point. It is a worthless

exercise to be pondering the future at this point.

There has never been a perfect roster anyway. It takes guys playing

together and realizing now is ther chance and the moment is not

too big for them. We totally blew the Saints away at home game 1

and now we should be all defeated in our minds going up against them?

No, we shouldn't be tucking our tails!

[g-dawg]

Come on G-Dawg. If anyone knows you know there are plenty good players to be had in the bottom third of every round. Even with an inept GM. See Trufant.

there are good players in every round. However, each draft typically only has a handful of franchise players - many times those franchise players go later in the draft but the earlier the pick, the better.

Also, it is important to mention - it is not just the first round pick. The difference in picking 7th vs. 21st - would happen in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th rounds - 14 spots in 7 rounds. That is a total of 98 draft slots.

Yep, that is a big deal!

A new GM and a new HC has a tall task turning around this franchise in decline - they need all the picks and the highest picks they can get. I won't outright cheer for a Falcon loss - but, given the situation, I'm not going to be upset by said loss either.

[O D B]

WRONG!!!!

All 12 playoff teams, regardless of record, pick at the end of the first round. If Falcons made playoffs and lost in first round, they would pick #21.

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Ok I did not know that.

[ATLFalcons11]

And there's several examples of how a higher pick DOES guarantee success. If not then why does our gel covered friend love to trade up so much? I'd rather not sacrifice our depth just cause he gets a hard on over 1 player and just let him have those picks so he doesn't get the urge to splurge...to near the top of the round

In a year when the playoffs are virtually out of the question, what sense does it make to win 1 or 2 more games that have absolutely NO EFFECT on the year? It just drops us further down the draft board and puts us behind in the search for a new HC/GM

Ask any GM if they'd rather have a higher pick in a perfect world. You'll get a resounding "yes"

Larger pool of talent to select from = greater chance of success. It's analogous to the way Wall Street works

I'm glad you finally said what I wanted you to say in the 1st place. Where I was leading you to. The whole point is the draft is a crapshoot. You can think that you are making a solid decision but the player doesn't blossom. Not every bad pick is a bad decision. Sometimes it's a really good decision but the player just ends up being bad or average.

Or the 21st picked player could be JUST AS GOOD as the 7th picked player or the 21st picked player could VERY SLIGHTLY lesser than the 7th picked player but not worth losing a playoff opportunity where anything can happen. Somebody we play against could get injured (God forbid), have an awkward bad game, a miracle can happen.

You want a Lombardi for the Falcons right? Then why throw away an opportunity, albeit extremely unlikely opportunity, but an opportunity to win? All for an UNKNOWN? All for a "MAYBE HE WILL BE GOOD?"

[ATLFalcons11]

Supes, y'know I respect you man. The problem is you are presuming what others are feeling.

I don't think anybody-ANYBODY-"feels good" about a Falcons loss - ever. It is not a happy occasion. If Falcons lose the game to the dreaded Saints - I'm not going to feel good about it.

Losing this week - forget the opponent - is simply something that would likely lead to better/higher draft picks - assuming Falcons get a competant GM. Winning this week will feel good - but it is empty calories.

I understand what you are saying but the part you are missing in the equation is that winning this weekend and next could LEAD TO A BETTER PLAYER. Not worried about a higher draft pick, which doesn't necessarily mean better.

[g-dawg]

I understand what you are saying but the part you are missing in the equation is that winning this weekend and next could LEAD TO A BETTER PLAYER. Not worried about a higher draft pick, which doesn't necessarily mean better.

First, there is no correlation between "winning this weekend and next - leading to a better player". While it COULD happen, a competant GM is supposed to be able to pick a better player at #7 than at #21. While there are many draft busts in every round, history would show that the earlier in the round you draft, especially the first round, the greater your chance of picking a good player.

[g-dawg]

I'm glad you finally said what I wanted you to say in the 1st place. Where I was leading you to. The whole point is the draft is a crapshoot. You can think that you are making a solid decision but the player doesn't blossom. Not every bad pick is a bad decision. Sometimes it's a really good decision but the player just ends up being bad or average.

Or the 21st picked player could be JUST AS GOOD as the 7th picked player or the 21st picked player could VERY SLIGHTLY lesser than the 7th picked player but not worth losing a playoff opportunity where anything can happen. Somebody we play against could get injured (God forbid), have an awkward bad game, a miracle can happen.

You want a Lombardi for the Falcons right? Then why throw away an opportunity, albeit extremely unlikely opportunity, but an opportunity to win? All for an UNKNOWN? All for a "MAYBE HE WILL BE GOOD?"

again you are wrong on your premise but I will give you another way to think about it.

Let's say every draft pick is a lottery ticket. The #7 pick is a $10 ticket with 10 chances to win - not only can you draft a good player but you can trade for multiple picks this year and/or next year. The #21 pick has less value.

If you believe the draft is a total crapshoot, there are simply more ways to win with the higher draft pick since you can trade for more picks and/or players.

[freebird310]

First, there is no correlation between "winning this weekend and next - leading to a better player". While it COULD happen, a competant GM is supposed to be able to pick a better player at #7 than at #21. While there are many draft busts in every round, history would show that the earlier in the round you draft, especially the first round, the greater your chance of picking a good player.

Man just fk this stupid tanking for a better pick every damm year, if you got a shot at the dance you take it EVERY SINGLE TIME, we could draft #1 next year and still go 2 - 14 in 2015, 3-13 in 2016 and 6-10 in 2017 ......a high pick does not guarantee future success.

[g-dawg]

Man just fk this stupid tanking for a better pick every damm year, if you got a shot at the dance you take it EVERY SINGLE TIME, we could draft #1 next year and still go 2 - 14 in 2015, 3-13 in 2016 and 6-10 in 2017 ......a high pick does not guarantee future success.

why do you care what I think? I don't influence 0.00000000001% whether the Falcons will win or lose on Sunday. They will win or lose on their own accord - not because of what a fan like me or you or anybody else thinks.

the whole "tanker" argument is stupid. Smitty is trying to win and so is Dimi(although he is powerless at this point as well). Nobody in Flowery Branch is trying to lose.