Hof Randy Cross : 2012 Falcons Were Elite ! Why Arizona & G-Bay Wont Start Any Of Current Falcon Players !

[falcon_ace]

HOF Randy Cross on radio said that 2012 falcons team was ELITE and they should have won NFC championship game.

He said Falcons scared other teams that yr.There were many reasons for that

1) O-line was SOLID. Not elite but daumn solid. Without solid O-line play you cant do what falcons did that year.

This year Falcons o-line is HOT garbage.

Matt Ryan : Ryan play was related to O-line play.

Do you guys remember it was the third straight year in which we didn't lose two consecutive regular season games.

Coached by Mike smith but had way better talent. In contrast 2014 talent is GARBAGE.

Players win the game. Coaches manage the flow.

2) TE.

Falcons had HOF TE that got open at will.

2014 TE( Toy - low low ) is garbage that cant catch cold and is slow as molasses in January.

3) White,Julio and harry. ( deadly combo )

Dimitroff smokescreen ***"Our goal is to rectify this with a vengeance***** was all BS.

Dimitroff dismantled falcons piece by piece and never replaced talent which was elite in 2012.

He thinks Mike smith can win Super Bowl for falcons but need talent to work with and players still support mike smith.

He is very well liked and got full support from players. Any new coach without talent cant do anything with this roster.

Arizona or Gbay wont start any falcon players even Julio.

Its' not about the x’s and o’s, it’s about the Jimmys and Joes.” no matter what the coach does with scheme or play call, if he doesn’t have talented players, it’s not going to be successful. It’s been said by many football analysts, that the Falcons’ defense has little to know talent.

As a matter of fact, it was said recently by former Super-Bowl winning head coach Billick that the Falcons have the least “quantifiable” talent on defense of any team in the league. And that’s coming from Mike Smith’s brother-in-law.

When you consistently miss on draft picks and fail to make a splash in free agency, this is the result a team devoid of talent. And the man that’s responsible for assembling that talent is Dimitroff

Dimitroff is hiding right now.

Edited November 26, 2014 by falcon_ace

[Sponge]

I heard him say this on the radio.

[falcon_ace]

Horse chit. Smith is garbage . He's gone. Done. Finished. Get over it.

Replace him with who ???

[Cali_Falcon_1184]

This is what I was saying on some post 2012 our defense was not elite but solid enough to at least get off on third down and let the offense win the games. TD made a big mistake by cutting John Abe, not resigning Lofton, and letting Grimes walk. In my opinion defense is what we need to improve on and TD still has to make a replacement for Abe. I told this to my other buddy had we kept Abe, Lofton, and Grimes. We would have a d-line that had Abe, Soliai, Jackson, and Osi, and a LB crew that would have Spoon, Worrilow, Bartu, Lofton, Shembo, and a secondary that had Tru, Grimes, Moore, Alford, and Mclain. I am not a fortune teller so I can't say that TD would have still made the signings had we kept Abe, Lofton, Grimes, but I can see Tru still being drafted because Asante needed to be replaced and so did D-Rob. TD has a lot of work to do on the defensive side of the ball to get this team to the level of the 2012 squad. I still don't think Smith is the right man for the job though because Randy Cross is correct we were elite in 2012 it's just that we didn't make any halftime adjustments during the playoff games which eventually lead to the playoff collapse. If we had a good coach in 2012 we would all be talking about us being Super Bowl champs because I know we would have beat the Ravens in the Super Bowl that year.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Cali_Falcon_1184

[FalconJim]

Just about sums it up for me ---

[falcon_ace]

This is what I was saying on some post 2012 our defense was not elite but solid enough to at least get off on third down and let the offense win the games. TD made a big mistake by cutting John Abe, not resigning Lofton, and letting Grimes walk. In my opinion defense is what we need to improve on and TD still has to make a replacement for Abe. I told this to my other buddy had we kept Abe, Lofton, and Grimes. We would have a d-line that had Abe, Soliai, Jackson, and Osi, and a LB crew that would have Spoon, Worrilow, Bartu, Lofton, Shembo, and a secondary that had Tru, Grimes, Moore, Alford, and Mclain. I am not a fortune teller so I can't say that TD would have still made the signings had we kept Abe, Lofton, Grimes, but I can see Tru still being drafted because Asante needed to be replaced and so did D-Rob. TD has a lot of work to do on the defensive side of the ball to get this team to the level of the 2012 squad.

He dismantled Defense & also offense.

Huge need of a TE that can catch with speed. It will be huge help.

[falcon_ace]

ANYBODY . SMITH IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR CITY. FLUSH THE TURD !!!!!

Anybody will kill whats left of FALCONS.

Players still support smith. They wont abandon mike smith when they all know that we dont have talent.

[Cali_Falcon_1184]

He dismantled Defense & also offense.

Huge need of a TE that can catch with speed. It will be huge help.

I think TD has an obsession with offensive teams he is trying to replicate the 1999 Rams team with the explosive players what he fails to see is that the Rams did not have a bunch of scrubs on the defense either. That defense had Dexter McCleon, London Fletcher, and other players who were pretty solid on defense. That is what we need as well not players who are the caliber of Willis, Ray Lewis, or Revis, but players who are solid defensive players

[madman88]

If ppl dnt realize this then they need to take a step back and reassess the problem..

It starts with TD, not smitty.. smitty hasnt helped himself at all the last two yrs.. but you all now see that a elite team was being coached by a average coach..

And a GM who hit early now missed on serious FA throughout his tenure here and only gotten worse woth his draft picks..

He is the reaon nolan looks like he cnt coach a jv team, and why ryan looks like he wish tony was here.. no line, no pass rush, no LBs, thats not coaching..

It falls on the guy who we all havmt seen or heard from in months..

[madman88]

Again you are wrong. Roddy is talking . He's tired of going conservative every second half . This discussion is stupid . Everyone knows Smittyball is finished. Get over it. He lost the fans ( except a very small minority like YOU ) and after a few more 4 quarter brain farts I'm sure the players will too.

Again you are wrong. Roddy is talking . He's tired of going conservative every second half . This discussion is stupid . Everyone knows Smittyball is finished. Get over it. He lost the fans ( except a very small minority like YOU ) and after a few more 4 quarter brain farts I'm sure the players will too.

smitty might be part of the problem, but some ppl including myself is attacking the ROOT of the problem.. TD

[Cali_Falcon_1184]

smitty might be part of the problem, but some ppl including myself is attacking the ROOT of the problem.. TD

I don't like playing the blame game but I am pretty sure that Smith was on board on some of TD's decisions because if he wasn't we would be hearing rumors about how Smitty and TD don't get along just like other teams when the GM and Coach don't see eye to eye. If Smith wasn't on board with Dimitroff's decisions than shame on him for letting the GM destroy an elite team.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Cali_Falcon_1184

[falcon_ace]

Again you are wrong. Roddy is talking . He's tired of going conservative every second half . This discussion is stupid . Everyone knows Smittyball is finished. Get over it. He lost the fans ( except a very small minority like YOU ) and after a few more 4 quarter brain farts I'm sure the players will too.

I respect Smith and appreciate what he did for us. No coach in NFL can win with this roster.

Mike smith will be gone but it wont be because he forgot to coach or manage the flow.

Players win games.

Edited November 26, 2014 by falcon_ace

[falcon_ace]

a 10-loss Falcons team to win the NFC South and host a playoff game with an interim coach because Mike Smith has been fired ?

Edited November 26, 2014 by falcon_ace

[Chitown2ATL_Falcon]

I think TD has an obsession with offensive teams he is trying to replicate the 1999 Rams team with the explosive players what he fails to see is that the Rams did not have a bunch of scrubs on the defense either. That defense had Dexter McCleon, London Fletcher, and other players who were pretty solid on defense. That is what we need as well not players who are the caliber of Willis, Ray Lewis, or Revis, but players who are solid defensive players

No he's trying to replicate the New England teams, he scouted for.

[Guest facelessman07]

I respect Smith and appreciate what he did for us. No coach in NFL can win with this roster.

Mike smith will be gone but it wont be because he forgot to coach or manage the flow.

Players win games.

Players CAN win games but Mike Smith can also lose you those games

Is the memory of the Cleveland game gone already?

Randy Cross is wrong

[falcon_ace]

Players CAN win games but Mike Smith can also lose you those games

Is the memory of the Cleveland game gone already?

Randy Cross is wrong

Mike pettine also almost lost the game for browns but his players bailed him out. He said it himself.

You are wrong. I will take Randy's opinion over yours any day.

[Cali_Falcon_1184]

No he's trying to replicate the New England teams, he scouted for.

New England's Super Bowl teams had a good defense as well when they had Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Willie McGinest and others I just want to know what possessed him to cut or let our good defensive players walk. I know people on this board constantly bashed Abe and said he was on the decline and his sacks came against garbage teams, but just the fact that TD cut Abe made us lose an elite pass rusher. People can say Abe is done had we kept him our d-line would be beastly with Abe, Soliai, Jackson, Osi, and our DE rotation would be deep with guys like Mass, Maponga, Goodman, Kroy, Hageman, giving those guys Abe and Osi a break. I like TD as a GM because he has made some good moves here but sometimes his personnel decisions are as questionable as Smitty's playcalling.

[Guest facelessman07]

Mike pettine also almost lost the game for browns but his players bailed him out. He said it himself.

You are wrong. I will take Randy's opinion over yours any day.

Randy said we could win a Super Bowl with Smith

Sure, go ahead and keep believing him

[Dawggone]

Lost me at they wouldnt start Julio. Bull.

[falconsd56]

This is such BS

TD did not "dismantle" the team

we have the same qb

top 3 wrs

Of the 5 linemen who started in TC 3 of them were on the 2012 team.... Asamoah and Matthews being the lone exceptions

On defense the only guy in the front 4 we were missing from that team is Abe

Everyone is still on the team

we went through some turnover at linebacker and in the secondary but that is going to happen.

The idea that the team was dismantled is STUPID.

[falconsd56]

Also if you do not think Matt Ryan would not start over drew ******* stanton you are a certifiable ******.

THe packers run D i hs every bit as bad as ours so I could totally see Jackson and Soliai starting for them

[DonDaLuvMaker]

I honestly think that the Packers would start Trufant.

Julio would start also because he is just a freakish talent. It would be Nelson and Julio on the outside with Cobb in the slot.

I think Jake Matthews and Asamoah would start for the Packers as well because they need o-linemen.

[Romfal]

coaching lost us at least 3 games this year. Yeah the O-line is garbage, but its not the GM's fault they got hurt, or that the coaching staff can't coach up or develop any backups.

[DonDaLuvMaker]

It is a mixture of lack of talent and bad coaching.

[MSalmon]

This is such BS

TD did not "dismantle" the team

we have the same qb

top 3 wrs

Of the 5 linemen who started in TC 3 of them were on the 2012 team.... Asamoah and Matthews being the loan exceptions

On defense the only guy in the front 4 we were missing from that team is Abe

Everyone is still on the team

we went through some turnover at linebacker and in the secondary but that is going to happen.

The idea that the team was dismantled is STUPID.

If

I agree. We had unfortunately, normal turnover that any team faces. Abe, as we all see had off field issues. Wonder what didn't come to light while he was here? Wasn't grimes hurt the 12 season? Regardless, he had a bad injury we selected two cbs..one Tru who looks like a stud and improving . And another ball hawk who was getting better in Alford. Loft on was brooking jr. Lots of tackles and little else. He wanted too much money for a 2 down guy. TD added soliali and TJax. Soliali was nolans guy, and TJax a respected run defender with a track record as a solid 5 tech. Obviously we drafted Jake. Point being we have young guys getting better. Second point is its hard as heck to add a stud pass rusher. Many teams accomplish pass rush by scheme. Why isn't our scheme working?

Nah, it's coaching.