Shredman Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 someone in TATF askedwhat would you do if you were the HC/GM of your team in 2015....since its very likely 1 or more of us NFC South Guys will be firing theirs, i ask the question here...my response their was, I would play the Name GamesignJordan Cameronand Cameron Jordanthat gives us a solid Pass Rusherand an all Pro TEI would go back to a 4-3 base with the DT Talent we haveI would again draft O Line Help and look to upgrade the LB coreI would resignM BryantA Smithand S Weatherspoon (he will come cheap and deserves another yr)I would cut S BakerI would not resign Osi or BeirmannI would look for 2 young and aggressive Cords, both O and Don O a risk taker that knows how to work with Elite QBson D , an Aggressive Mind he77 bent on stopping the run and who would play more Man Coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 id think a little on cam jordan. he was good last year, but he's not producing right now. He may not be much better than Kroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints4life25 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cam is signed next year. They picked up his option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredman Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cam is signed next year. They picked up his option.I signed him on Madden lol5 yrs 40mil lolseems like they would have updated that, if Saints picked up his Option , he should not have been available .....they are usually good about those contract updates...oh well , Guess I will have to trade him back to Saints, at least they will take a 40 mil hit lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_L Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well Shred if you did it on Madden it must be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints4life25 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I signed him on Madden lol5 yrs 40mil lolseems like they would have updated that, if Saints picked up his Option , he should not have been available .....they are usually good about those contract updates...oh well , Guess I will have to trade him back to Saints, at least they will take a 40 mil hit lol....Yeah they picked up his option. To be fair to Jordan, he's near or at the top of the league in QB hurries. When you have corners as bad as the Saints, anytime you get pressured, just throw it towards Corey White. Nothing bad can come from that. He's eating a ridiculous amount of doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredman Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well Shred if you did it on Madden it must be true!you would be surprised how accurate Madden isGranted I made the move to sign him as a FA, but that would not be a far fetched Signing if Saints had not picked up the Option....thats why i am kinda Shocked he was not updated with the Saints Option...they are on Point with that Sh!t.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredman Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah they picked up his option.To be fair to Jordan, he's near or at the top of the league in QB hurries. When you have corners as bad as the Saints, anytime you get pressured, just throw it towards Corey White. Nothing bad can come from that. He's eating a ridiculous amount of doubles.oh I Like him as a Pass Rusherhes worlds better than anything we have going after the QB....Mass is a Solid DE , but he is more of an all around DE, Better vs The Run than rushing the passer IMO, Osi , is just Old now.... he was great, But it was a huge Mistake signing him and Cutting Abe.....Just another Reason , M Smith should not be the Only Guy Looking over his Shoulder in the ATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 oh I Like him as a Pass Rusherhes worlds better than anything we have going after the QB....Mass is a Solid DE , but he is more of an all around DE, Better vs The Run than rushing the passer IMO, Osi , is just Old now.... he was great, But it was a huge Mistake signing him and Cutting Abe.....Just another Reason , M Smith should not be the Only Guy Looking over his Shoulder in the ATLmass is an excellent pass rusher when he's allowed to play. he let the media get to him and he started running his mouth about his playing time now he's the team's ugliest cheerleader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredman Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 mass is an excellent pass rusher when he's allowed to play. he let the media get to him and he started running his mouth about his playing time now he's the team's ugliest cheerleader. i did not see a great pass rusher when he was getting snaps99.9 % of Our Pressure , has come from the DTs, the Other 00.1% coming from P Warrilow lolI saw a Solid DEand you are right, he was better than anyone else out there @ DEBut not a Great Pass RusherGreat Pass Rushers Have Multi Sack GamesGreat Pass Rushers Take their Playing Time, dont matter what they say, Unless its Bomb in an Airport lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Orakpo will probably a free agent next year, I think he plays better as a 4-3 DE plus Haslett had used him incorrectly. I fully expect some team to pick him up, use him correctly and for him to flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nola90 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Cameron Jordan ranked 2nd to only JJ Watt last year according to PFF. He's improved his sakc #s in every year in the league (1sack->8sacks->12sacks), and last year was his breakout year when we had a pair of solid corners. He came out of college as a solid run stuffer, and a decent pass rusher, which he is (+5.2 this year against the run). Most of the runs against us are usually up the gut or towards Junior Galette because teams know he is pretty bad. Also, like someone ^ said, he has a lot of QB hits/hurries that you don't see on paper. He may not be our best pure pass rusher, but he is our best defensive lineman. We did pick up his option: 6.969mil in 2015. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cameron-jordan/ Not bad for a RDE that can play tackle as well, right? Edited November 19, 2014 by nola90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 i did not see a great pass rusher when he was getting snaps99.9 % of Our Pressure , has come from the DTs, the Other 00.1% coming from P Warrilow lolI saw a Solid DEand you are right, he was better than anyone else out there @ DEBut not a Great Pass RusherGreat Pass Rushers Have Multi Sack GamesGreat Pass Rushers Take their Playing Time, dont matter what they say, Unless its Bomb in an Airport lolIt's unfortunate for mass that he was held 5 times against the Ravens. He played the majority of that game and was a force. He just hasn't had the snaps to get the multiple sacks. Almost 30 percent of his snaps against the pass he was sent into coverage. Our defense is a cluster **** of poor decisions and mistakes like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Dog Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Our defense is a cluster **** of poor decisions and mistakes like this one.I know we're talking about Mass, but I have to interject that "Our offense is occasionally a cluster fock of poor decisions and mistakes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 shred, to further my point I did some looker'n into mass' snaps.he's affected the qb in some way 17 percent of the time he's rushed the passer. thats hurries, hits, sacks.to put that in perspective. cam jordan has affected the qb 9 percent of the times he's rushed.of course, it's easy to say with a smaller amounts of snaps percentages can be skewed, but the fact is, he's been disruptive in his opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints4life25 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 shred, to further my point I did some looker'n into mass' snaps.he's affected the qb in some way 17 percent of the time he's rushed the passer. thats hurries, hits, sacks.to put that in perspective. cam jordan has affected the qb 9 percent of the times he's rushed.of course, it's easy to say with a smaller amounts of snaps percentages can be skewed, but the fact is, he's been disruptive in his opportunities. Situational uses can also skew percentages. Cams a 3 down player. I've not understood why Mass hasn't gotten more opportunities to be on the field though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Situational uses can also skew percentages. Cams a 3 down player. I've not understood why Mass hasn't gotten more opportunities to be on the field though.yes, but im just referring to the number of snaps that were passing plays where he rushed the passer.mass has rushed the passer 90 times while cam is in the 350 neighborhood. but like i said, if mass had cams snaps (which lead the league) his percentage of disruptive plays would go down probably, but you would see his sack numbers growi wasnt trying to pick on cam though, i just used him as an example because that's who shred mentioned as a replacement. the fact is, if cam were a falcon, he would look like **** because he'd be out there running down slot receivers and taking notes from the sideline lol.we'd have to assume the next coach would use our players properly, mass has not been used properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints4life25 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 yes, but im just referring to the number of snaps that were passing plays where he rushed the passer.mass has rushed the passer 90 times while cam is in the 350 neighborhood. but like i said, if mass had cams snaps (which lead the league) his percentage of disruptive plays would go down probably, but you would see his sack numbers growi wasnt trying to pick on cam though, i just used him as an example because that's who shred mentioned as a replacement. the fact is, if cam were a falcon, he would look like **** because he'd be out there running down slot receivers and taking notes from the sideline lol.we'd have to assume the next coach would use our players properly, mass has not been used properly. I know what you were saying. I was just pointing out that situational uses probably skews percentages just as much as limited number of snaps. Mass obviously comes in on obvious pass rush situations. How many times does he get to come in and rush a tired tackle on third down? How many times does he have to deal with play action? Things like that. Situational guys, no matter what team, should get graded differently lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I know what you were saying. I was just pointing out that situational uses probably skews percentages just as much as limited number of snaps.Mass obviously comes in on obvious pass rush situations. How many times does he get to come in and rush a tired tackle on third down? How many times does he have to deal with play action? Things like that. Situational guys, no matter what team, should get graded differently lol.i dont know that he's come in on obvious passing situations. hes played more against the run I believe anyways. i guess being the fresh man to come in on a worn out tackle could affect things, that would fall under what I said about his percentage going down though I would imagine. but just to note, there isn't another defender within his range of snaps that come close to his production except moore from the giants i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints4life25 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 i dont know that he's come in on obvious passing situations. hes played more against the run I believe anyways. i guess being the fresh man to come in on a worn out tackle could affect things, that would fall under what I said about his percentage going down though I would imagine. but just to note, there isn't another defender within his range of snaps that come close to his production except moore from the giants i believe. Yeah. Somebody should sticky note the percentages to Smiths forehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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