How About If Coughlin Is Let Go?

[NOVAFalconFan]

Personally, I wouldn't mind him as HC. I think his message isn't resonating up there anymore, similar to how Mike Smith's doesn't seem to be here. Of course, I also wouldn't mind getting Reese as GM, but there is no speculation about him getting fired that I can find.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-coughlin-giants-brass-timeout-article-1.1999640

[Falcanuck]

I'd rather not hire a coach that is so old that he's been uninsurable for 34 years.

[jfalconsp]

With love, that dude has got to be one of the oldest coaches in the NFL.

[Dharma Initiative]

That man is gonna be done. I'm not sure if I think he's even a good coach or if he lucked into some big wins

[NOVAFalconFan]

With love, that dude has got to be one of the oldest coaches in the NFL.

Second or third oldest coach to win a Super Bowl in 2007. Oldest coach to win a Super Bowl in 2011.

[Guest facelessman07]

No, let him and Smith retire and head back to their roots: Jacksonville

[NOVAFalconFan]

That man is gonna be done. I'm not sure if I think he's even a good coach or if he lucked into some big wins

Playoff football is like a slot machine in terms of variance. To the extent that you could say that about Coughlin, you could say it about any coach who has won a Super Bowl.

Interested to see whether the board views Bowles and Quinn and Ryan a certain way versus Coughlin.

[NOVAFalconFan]

No, let him and Smith retire and head back to their roots: Jacksonville

Coughlin took the Jags into Mile High and knocked Elway out of the playoffs.

[Guest Gritz]

Want a younger guy...Don't want a retread.

[hjerry]

No, he needs to retire. He isn't good, and hasn't been for some time. He lucked into that SB run, and picked up a couple more years, but he's been done for a long time.

[Guest facelessman07]

Coughlin took the Jags into Mile High and knocked Elway out of the playoffs.

And how long ago was that??

Long enough. No

[DonDaLuvMaker]

Want a younger guy...Don't want a retread.

Yeah, I want an HC that is young enough to be able stay for 10-15+ years if he is good enough.

Coughlin won't be coaching in 5 years.

I also agree with no retreads. The Falcons need someone fresh and that can bring the organization excitment for the future.

[AndySG]

No. Seems like a stupid thing to say about a guy with two rings, but I honestly don't think he's a very good coach.

[NOVAFalconFan]

No, he needs to retire. He isn't good, and hasn't been for some time. He lucked into that SB run, and picked up a couple more years, but he's been done for a long time.

Good coaches are lucky. That's how we got to the SB in 98.

[freebird310]

If we went with a geriatric then give me this guy ......

The road to coaching success in the NFL typically goes through coordinator positions, and we have countless examples of successful defensive and offensive coaches who have made the leap over the years. It is a natural progression in terms of climbing the ladder, and it is the most popular choice for teams looking to fill head coaching vacancies. This history makes it a fair question to ask – could Dean Pees be the next hot head coaching candidate?

To date, the current Ravens defensive coordinator hasn’t really drawn any interest for head coaching vacancies, even after winning the Super Bowl his first year as a coordinator with the team. To be fair, 2012’s defense featured vocal leaders Ed Reed and Ray Lewis as well, so teams may have overlooked Pees’ influence.

Pees certainly has the history and football pedigree to be a head coach. He spent 15 years as a coordinator at the collegiate level, and was the head coach at Kent State for six seasons. He even coached John Harbaugh at Miami (OH). Pees went on to spend six years with the Patriots, where served as the linebackers coach for two seasons and the defensive coordinator for four seasons.

It would have been tough for any defense to post respectable numbers given the circumstances that 2013 brought, but Pees held the ship together even when things were at their worst.

During his tenure with the Patriots, Pees’ defense was the only one in the NFL to finish in the top ten in scoring in four straight seasons. The team allowed fewer than 20 points per game in every season Pees was there, the best of any stretch in Bill Belichick’s tenure as head coach. It’s quite likely that Belichick, a defensive mind, overshadowed Pees in his time in New England as well.

Pees has had a successful run with the Ravens in his three seasons as well. In 2010 and 2011, the team allowed the third fewest points in the NFL with Pees as the linebackers coach. In 2012 he was promoted to defensive coordinator following Chuck Pagano’s promotion to head coach of the Colts.

Even in a disastrous 2013 that mixed injuries and ineffectiveness with offensive deficiencies, the defense managed to rank 3rd in the NFL in third down defense and finished a respectable 12th in both points and yards allowed. Keep in mind this was also the season after Ray Lewis retired and Ed Reed departed in free agency. Talk about some major changes.

If anything, last season proved that Pees is a good coach on his own. It would have been tough for any defense to post respectable numbers given the circumstances that 2013 brought, but Pees held the ship together even when things were at their worst. And that is one of the key elements that separates the great coaches from the mediocre ones.

But will Pees get a realistic shot at a head coaching job? He has few things working against him, other than being overshadowed most of his career. One is his age. 64 certainly isn’t out of the question in the head coaching ranks, but it does give teams pause when they are looking to build a successful team over the long haul. Tom Coughlin is 67, but he has been a head coach for eighteen years.

Pees is certainly in the right place if he wants to become a head coach, however. An incredible thirteen Ravens assistants have been or are currently head coaches in the NFL, four of which were defensive coordinators That’s an astounding number. Not to mention Rex Ryan, Chuck Pagano, and Marvin Lewis have been pretty successful in head coaching roles so far.

The question is, does Pees want to be a head coach? In a 2012 interview with the Detroit Free Press, Pees pretty much shot down the notion, explaining that he enjoys focusing on football and not all the extracurricular activities that a head coach has to deal with.

“They can have that gig all they want. You become a head coach, you become everything but a coach. Especially in college, you’re there speaking to alumni, you’re doing all this stuff, you never coach. And, that’s not why I got into this profession. I watch head coaches even in this league — there’s just so many other hats that you have to wear. I don’t want to wear those hats. I want to wear this one right out here on the practice field, call defenses and play ball and have fun with the players.”

Things can quickly change when a great job becomes available, of course. One thing you learn over the years is to never say never. A great defensive season in 2014 is bound to make the phone ring for Pees, and head coaching offers will at least be batted around. Whether or not the right offer comes along that compels him to be the next Ravens assistant turned head coach, well that remains to be seen.

http://ebonybird.com...hing-candidate/

[NOVAFalconFan]

And how long ago was that??

Long enough. No

1996, as I recall. Still, if we give Harbaugh credit for doing it to Peyton in 2012, it seems like the same thing. How about taking the Giants into Lambeau and Candlestick in 2011? Not recent enough?

[hjerry]

Good coaches are lucky. That's how we got to the SB in 98.

That's a terrible reasoning for hiring someone.

[Guest facelessman07]

1996, as I recall. Still, if we give Harbaugh credit for doing it to Peyton in 2012, it seems like the same thing. How about taking the Giants into Lambeau and Candlestick in 2011? Not recent enough?

The game has changed so much since 96. Is Coughlin a better coach than Smith? Yes. But, I don't like what Ive seen from Coughlin lately. If you're going to judge a coach, do it on the past couple years, not something that happened long ago

The Giants D is what gave Coughlin success. I still say no

Edited November 5, 2014 by facelessman07

[Romfal]

if he was younger, I'd be all for it. we could still do worse either way.

[NOVAFalconFan]

That's a terrible reasoning for hiring someone.

If that were the reasoning for hiring him, I would agree. I am simply dismissing the poster who said he lucked into two Super Bowls. All coaches who win Super Bowls have fortunate happenstances. Look at Mike Tomlin. The game didn't end after the return, and Ben had to drive the field to win at the end, but the four-point margin of victory did depend on Harrison's return. Is James Harrison the player you are sure will be able to return an INT 100 yards? Or was luck involved in that play?

Edited November 5, 2014 by NOVAFalconFan

[Macintez]

I don't want Coughlin, but I wouldn't mind cherry picking his D-line coach and promoting him to D-coord. I think his staff learned a thing or 2 about building a d-line. Coughlin always had a monster d-line wherever he went.

[hjerry]

If that were the reasoning for hiring him, I would agree. I am simply dismissing the poster who said he lucked into two Super Bowls. All coaches who win Super Bowls have fortunate happenstances. Look at Mike Tomlin. The game didn't end after the return, and Ben had to drive the field to win at the end, but the four-point margin of victory did depend on Harrison's return. Is James Harrison the player you are sure will be able to return an INT 100 yards? Or was luck involved in that play?

Coughlin isn't a good coach anymore. He was bad before that last SB, and he went right back to being bad afterward. He needs to quit/be fired, and retire. You want a coach that is good and can be lucky from time to time. That isn't Coughlin. He lucked into one SB, and then went right back to sucking.

[NOVAFalconFan]

Coughlin isn't a good coach anymore. He was bad before that last SB, and he went right back to being bad afterward. He needs to quit/be fired, and retire. You want a coach that is good and can be lucky from time to time. That isn't Coughlin. He lucked into one SB, and then went right back to sucking.

Haha. I'll put you down for "no."

ETA- Although I dream that we could get a bad coach who could match him.

Edited November 5, 2014 by NOVAFalconFan

[Quarterback]

I'd rather not hire a coach that is so old that he's been uninsurable for 34 years.

Dam.n that's funny!

[4dabirds]

And how long ago was that??

Long enough. No

Regardless…the man knows how to win in the post season. It's the regular season that TC has struggled with at times. However, he's been around for awhile now, and is probably looking to call it career if he gets let go.