slider Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) Moving Nolan away from the defense which he is over complicating by moving him to HC. Give the defense to a guy who will never over complicate anything, Brian Cox. Keep Tice and Koetter where they're sorely needed, just where they are. The key here I think is not just the getting rid of Smitty, although Smitty's game management errors do warrant him gone, it's getting Nolan away from the Defense that he has made a mess of. I think Cox may be what the D needs to get kick started. Edited October 27, 2014 by slider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 God no to Nolan at HC.He is one of the worst HC's in the history of the NFL.(18-37)It would be more helpful moving Nolan off the team. (Smith as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I would be okay with Nolan as interim head coach. See how he does with the rest of the season and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Nolan for interim HC? Yes, let's see what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 God no to Nolan at HC.He is one of the worst HC's in the history of the NFL.(18-37)It would be more helpful moving Nolan off the team. (Smith as well)I would be okay with Nolan as interim head coach. See how he does with the rest of the season and go from there.Nolan for interim HC?Yes, let's see what he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 That was YEARS ago dude. Besides, can't be any worse than it is now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 That was YEARS ago dude. Besides, can't be any worse than it is nowOh yes it can....If we are going to give a coach a shot it should be someone who is actually doing well at coaching now.Robiskie or Tice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Out of all the possible people already on the team he is the one that makes most sense to take the reigns for the remainder of the season. If he looks good, think about longer. If he looks bad, nothing lost. We aren't going to clean house mid-season, and will not bring in someone brand new mid-season. I would much rather make a statement now and go with an interim coach then continue with what we have. Interimadjective 1. in or for the intervening period; provisional or temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanfranfalcon Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I would be okay with Nolan as interim head coach. See how he does with the rest of the season and go from there.yep...me too. if nothing else we would finally get answers to some personnel and defensive questions...like how much has Smith been micro managing the defense...why Biermann continues to see the field, etc etc etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 yep...me too. if nothing else we would finally get answers to some personnel and defensive questions...like how much has Smith been micro managing the defense...why Biermann continues to see the field, etc etc etc...Yeah that's another bonus. Get to see exactly who's been making decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Oh yes it can....If we are going to give a coach a shot it should be someone who is actually doing well at coaching now.Robiskie or Tice.Don't care for Robiskie, everyone credits him for Julio and Roddy. Roddy developed before Terry got here and Julio was already talented, just has terrible hands that have yet to be fixed. Once again, no thank you. What exactly has Robiskie proven? I could get down with Tice. If the team takes on the mentality of the HC, then we would have one mean team full of bad azz muthafvckas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Out of all the possible people already on the team he is the one that makes most sense to take the reigns for the remainder of the season. If he looks good, think about longer. If he looks bad, nothing lost. We aren't going to clean house mid-season, and will not bring in someone brand new mid-season. I would much rather make a statement now and go with an interim coach then continue with what we have.Interimadjective 1. in or for the intervening period; provisional or temporary.He doesn't deserve it, give a shot to Robiskie or Tice.... lets not reward bad coaching with an interim HC position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He doesn't deserve it, give a shot to Robiskie or Tice.... lets not reward bad coaching with an interim HC position.Anything is better than continuing with Smith, but am not a fan of Robiskie or Tice taking the lead at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Don't care for Robiskie, everyone credits him for Julio and Roddy. Roddy developed before Terry got here and Julio was already talented, just has terrible hands that have yet to be fixed.Once again, no thank you. What exactly has Robiskie proven?I could get down with Tice. If the team takes on the mentality of the HC, then we would have one mean team full of bad azz muthafvckasSo he gets no credit for coaching our deepest position?Douglas, Hester all playing better than they should.Also concerning Julio talent doesn't equal success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He doesn't deserve it, give a shot to Robiskie or Tice.... lets not reward bad coaching with an interim HC position.You're putting the defensive blame on Nolan when it's been proven that Smith micromanages and we still run the same schemes we had with BVG. C'MON MAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Anything is better than continuing with Smith, but am not a fan of Robiskie or Tice taking the lead at all.Why not?I know how bad Nolan is at HC, heck he isn't a good DC right now.Let some of our decent coaches have a shot..... Nolan isn't good I don't know why TATF thinks he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanfranfalcon Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) Yeah that's another bonus. Get to see exactly who's been making decisions.yep...unlike many here i refuse to believe that Nolan just stop knowin' HTF to coach!! and seein' just how scared Smitty coached today says he is no longer the right person for the job...amongst other decisions too. Arian (sp?), HC of ARI, said tonite you can't coach scared...coach smart, yes...not scared... Edited October 27, 2014 by sanfranfalcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 So he gets no credit for coaching our deepest position?Douglas, Hester all playing better than they should.Also concerning Julio talent doesn't equal success.It's our deepest position because TD has a fetish with offensive firepowerPeople were calling for Harry's head till this year after working with Robiskie for what, 6 years? Hester balled out in Miami, he already had the talent. Credit to Koetter designing plays for him, not RobiskieIf he's so great why are the drops still an issue? Surely a coach is supposed to work on that during the week with his playersMake the smart choice, no to Robiskie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 You're putting the defensive blame on Nolan when it's been proven that Smith micromanages and we still run the same schemes we had with BVG.C'MON MANHow has it been proven?We ran a 4-3 with BVG, we run a 3-4 with Nolan?We used zone corners under BVG, we run more man with Nolan.We never dropped a LB to safety at single high under BVG we do under Nolan.We didn't have a Hybrid DE/OLB like Beir under BVG we do under Nolan.We had an undersized line under BVG we don't under Nolan.This D is a Nolan creation..... his defenses constantly get worse the longer he is in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Diesel Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I would rather have Robiskie, Armstrong, or Tice. I know Nolan doesn't have a lot to work with... but that defense is horrible. Why reward him for doing a crappy job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Why not?I know how bad Nolan is at HC, heck he isn't a good DC right now.Let some of our decent coaches have a shot..... Nolan isn't good I don't know why TATF thinks he is.Once again, blaming Nolan for the D problems while clear proof has been given of Smitty's micromanagement tendenciesSoft zone, no pass rush, and BBDB are NOT core tenets of a Nolan D. That is ALL Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 God no to Nolan at HC.He is one of the worst HC's in the history of the NFL.(18-37)It would be more helpful moving Nolan off the team. (Smith as well)The point of moving Nolan to HC is not that he'll be a great HC, I don't think he will, but it minimizes the changes in coaching personnel for the interim during the current season and it gives defensive control to someone that won't over complicate and won't put up with listless play, Brian Cox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LoveoftheGame Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 If I had to pick a Mike:I will take any coaching change tomorrow over MIke Smith. MikeNolan has a 18-37 HC record, but I rather have Mike Tice and his 33-34 HC record. Give Tice a chance to get his coaching record above 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Once again, blaming Nolan for the D problems while clear proof has been given of Smitty's micromanagement tendenciesSoft zone, no pass rush, and BBDB are NOT core tenets of a Nolan D. That is ALL SmithWhere is this clear proof?The biggest difference between this Nolan defense and his others are the lack of a stud pass rusher.Nolan calls the plays, Smitty doesn't.I want Smitty fired but I want Nolan gone equally as much, this is his defense and it is horrible.People like to give credit to Nolan for having good D's but he has always had great talent..... he isn't a great DC without it he doesn't play simple defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanfranfalcon Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 If I had to pick a Mike:I will take any coaching change tomorrow over MIke Smith. MikeNolan has a 18-37 HC record, but I rather have Mike Tice and his 33-34 HC record. Give Tice a chance to get his coaching record above 500.can't disagree tho i'd rather have Nolan. but i think either Tice or Nolan would do much better second time around...and either makes the most sense if a mid-season change is done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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