TrapAHolic Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 During the Bengals game, they showed how easy it was to stop the 4 verticals (gimpy players at the time didn't help. Press the receivers at the line and watch for the comebacks. they limited us to 10 points and made our offense look terrible.Fast forward to the Vikings game. There was an article before the game by the Vikings beat writers that explained how the 4 Verticals was ran and basically how to stop it. The pretty much rendered it useless.Throughout the next few games it seemed like defenses adapted to it over time. (most competent coaches make adjustements like that smh). the fact that our OL can't run it for a whole game and getting gassed has been a problem after half time for the past 2 years leads me to believe its pretty much worthless now.Not sure this is well thought out enough but thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm more concerned about ditching Smith firstBut ultimately I'd like to see us running the ball more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapAHolic Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm more concerned about ditching Smith firstBut ultimately I'd like to see us running the ball moreSmith definitely has to go. The way he handcuffs this offense is absurd.Running the ball would definitely help. Also not using Steven Jackson as much would be an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the baptist Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 During the Bengals game, they showed how easy it was to stop the 4 verticals (gimpy players at the time didn't help. Press the receivers at the line and watch for the comebacks. they limited us to 10 points and made our offense look terrible.Fast forward to the Vikings game. There was an article before the game by the Vikings beat writers that explained how the 4 Verticals was ran and basically how to stop it. The pretty much rendered it useless.Throughout the next few games it seemed like defenses adapted to it over time. (most competent coaches make adjustements like that smh). the fact that our OL can't run it for a whole game and getting gassed has been a problem after half time for the past 2 years leads me to believe its pretty much worthless now.Not sure this is well thought out enough but thoughts?To me it seemed as if they didn't run as many "Long Routes" todayI thought they did a good job of mixing in some shorter quicker routes that were not WR Screens and RB screensThe second half which has been the Falcons cryptonite under Mike Smith came down to controlling the clock and getting a field goal or getting one more touchdownBecause this offense highlights a "Single back" running attack with a POWER runner, you CANT pound the game away like a traditional running attack canBut I could see the comeback from a mile away, Ryan should have saw it too, and tried to go no huddle on atleast one of those drives to close the game outDid they go no huddle in the second half? I cant rememberRegardless this Schemes flaw is lack of Power Running, Classic 250lb Fullback leading the way, and the no huddle is neglected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I think a WR based offense where you pass to set up the run, actually suits us quite well. You just need a few things to make it work:WRs that can consistently beat single coverageA TE to throw to for when that doesn't happenGood routes for al of the WRs to be running to keep things freshand possibly most important...a solid run game that keeps defenses honest.I find it hard to find many points where we have consistently done all of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 What Jerry said. I do think Koetter needs to go though and he more than likely will be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I said this type of offense wouldn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Todd Gurley 2015 baby!!!Make it happen Blank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 What Jerry said. I do think Koetter needs to go though and he more than likely will be gone.wouldn't surprise me if Dirk is a HC somewhere next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Todd Gurley 2015 baby!!!Make it happen Blankmaybe, depends heavily on FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 wouldn't surprise me if Dirk is a HC somewhere next year.Would make me glad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 ^address it heavily in FA. I don't want to depend on a rookie for our pass rushI want Gurley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 ^address it heavily in FA. I don't want to depend on a rookie for our pass rushI want Gurleyalso depends on where we're picking. I love Gurley, but he's not worth a top 5 pick, maybe not even top 10. could trade down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Would make me glad.you a fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 also depends on where we're picking. I love Gurley, but he's not worth a top 5 pick, maybe not even top 10. could trade downI want us to trade down to acquire himTruthfully, I hope we go first or second overall and trade it to a QB needy team. There WILL be bidders for Mariota and Winston. Use it to our advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 wouldn't surprise me if Dirk is a HC somewhere next year.I don't see it happening. Like not at all, no way no how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I don't see it happening. Like not at all, no way no how.I actually think that he's better suited to be a HC, than he is to be an OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 you a fan?A fan of him leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS91 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I think a WR based offense where you pass to set up the run, actually suits us quite well. You just need a few things to make it work:WRs that can consistently beat single coverageA TE to throw to for when that doesn't happenGood routes for al of the WRs to be running to keep things freshand possibly most important...a solid run game that keeps defenses honest.I find it hard to find many points where we have consistently done all of these.That first point is what I hate about our offense under both Mularkey and Koetter. Way too much reliance on receivers winning individual battles consistently. That's not always going to happen. DBs in this league are good players too, and if you don't have a good O-line the QB isn't going to make it through all of his reads very often. When you have a couple of guys like Hester and Julio who are pretty dangerous in space and the only way you know how to get them the ball in space is a ******* bubble screen, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Again Georgian Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Get rid of Smith and maybe we'll get rid of the prevent offense we're running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 A fan of him leaving.He doesn't have to become a HC for that to happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Been a big support of this a long time. I am more in favor of traditional type of WCO with a emphasis on a ZBS for running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He doesn't have to become a HC for that to happen...He may be a Raider or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 For one this insane rbbc with 4 rbs is insane. Ride the hit hand. It's got to be tough for the rbs and for that matter the whole offense to get any sort of rythm..I'm all for rbbc, but every down changing them out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJoe Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Freeman is much better runner than SJax. I would like Gurley but realistically a later round, bigger, hardnosed, RB like Cobb from Minnesota with Freeman would suit me fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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