If You Think That Ryan Is The Problem I Disagree.

[coryb78]

If you think that Ryan is the problem then I think you are just looking at the most obvious answer. The obvious isn't always right however. To be up front about it I didn't want Ryan here. I thought he was over rated and to be honest after the athletic excitement of Vick I just couldn't stand the idea of a boring pocket passer.

I was wrong. Very wrong happily very wrong. Ryan is a winner and the fact that he is losing right now speaks to how poorly Dimitroff has stocked the team with talent and how equally poorly Smith has cultivated it.

When we had a physical Oline and a back to hit the holes Ryan was able to pick defenses apart and bring us back when he had too.

Now the ice is thawed only because we refuse to help him. We had two great WR's but we didn't support Ryan up front which was huge considering the QB no matter who he has ever been has to have time to get the ball to the outside.

The real concern should be our race against time to get the most out of Ryan's talent. The real concern should be that at best Ryan only has another 8-9 years in him. What will we do with that time? Will we take advantage of a good QB or will we continue to waste him by not getting him the protection and support that any qb needs to win?

Ryan looks bad because he's getting stuck seemingly on every other play. What would you do if your oline only held people up slightly longer than a turnstile?

He hasn't once thrown anyone under the bus and he has represented the Falcons to the fullest. He has come back to play every single play that he could as hard as he could and even came back when the season was over and we couldn't make the playoffs.

Anyone remember that?

Anyone remember what we went through before him?]

We could do alot worse then Ryan. Get him another Oline piece next year and watch if we don't start to win more consistently.

Ryan has proven that with a new coach he can win right out the gate. This team is dead in the water and some of you want to throw out the best piece that we have. Don't be fooled. You are wrong.

[Brady]

[coryb78]

Yeah I think that Montana made a few bad passes too. So what is the answer? Get rid of the QB, bring in a new HC, new GM and start over? 2 out of 3 I agree with but you and I apparently vastly disagree on how hard it is to get a good QB on the team. Lucks and Wilson's don't grow on trees.

Fix the other issues on the team and Ryan will win again.

[DurtyBurdz155]

SMFH

[DurtyBurdz155]

SMFH

[Dharma Initiative]

I loved Ryan and how he embraced the team and had some great moments.

But we pay the guy $20 million a year and have 6 wins since that extension to show for it. We could literally plug in an undrafted QB and probably stumble into 6 wins in 1.5 seasons

He isn't carrying the team, which you have to do when you account for that much payroll.

Stafford gets paid a lot, had no Calvin, no Reggie, none of his three TE's, and still marched his team down the field for a 21 points comeback

[Falcons Rage]

Your not allowed to post yet, you don't have enough posts.

[coryb78]

I loved Ryan and how he embraced the team and had some great moments.

But we pay the guy $20 million a year and have 6 wins since that extension to show for it. We could literally plug in an undrafted QB and probably stumble into 6 wins in 1.5 seasons

He isn't carrying the team, which you have to do when you account for that much payroll.

Stafford gets paid a lot, had no Calvin, no Reggie, none of his three TE's, and still marched his team down the field for a 21 points comeback

Stafford didn't need any of those guys. He had Smith.

[DonDaLuvMaker]

That was an awful throw by Ryan.

I have seen many QBs(many good QBs and many bad QBs) make that same mistake though in all my years of watching the NFL.

[Sidecar Falcon]

Blaming Ryan for the team's failures is equivalent to being mad at your car for not being able to be driven on the highway when it has four flat tires.

Edited October 26, 2014 by Sidecar Falcon

[Dharma Initiative]

Blaming Ryan for the team's failures is equivalent to being mad at your car for not being able to be driven on the highway when it has four flat tires.

That's why you don't pay $20 million for the car to drive itself

[coryb78]

Ryan stood up and shouldered the whole loss. That's what a leader does. I haven't been around for a while but I will bet that 2 years ago if you would have said, "get rid of Ryan" then the hyenas would have come after just as they do now when you say, "keep Ryan."

The good news for those of us that say keep him though is that we get to be proven right because Ryan is going nowhere and those that say get rid of him now will just have to endure and in the future will go away and disguise themselves as supporters the whole time.

[Dharma Initiative]

Ryan stood up and shouldered the whole loss. That's what a leader does. I haven't been around for a while but I will bet that 2 years ago if you would have said, "get rid of Ryan" then the hyenas would have come after just as they do now when you say, "keep Ryan."

The good news for those of us that say keep him though is that we get to be proven right because Ryan is going nowhere and those that say get rid of him now will just have to endure and in the future will go away and disguise themselves as supporters the whole time.

I'm not saying get rid of Ryan. But we have a slightly above average QB, he isn't a top 10 guy. Can't be when you don't carry the team when it needs it

[coryb78]

That's why you don't pay $20 million for the car to drive itself

Blaming Ryan for the team's failures is equivalent to being mad at your car for not being able to be driven on the highway when it has four flat tires.

Good analogies

[BCEagleATLFalcon]

That was an awful throw by Ryan.

I have seen many QBs(many good QBs and many bad QBs) make that same mistake though in all my years of watching the NFL.

He said he was just trying to throw it away and didn't see the guy.

That was a heck of a lot of air under a throw-away.

[Dharma Initiative]

He said he was just trying to throw it away and didn't see the guy.

That was a heck of a lot of air under a throw-away.

You have to throw it out of bounds to throw it away....that wasn't close. If he was throwing it away he'd go towards the sideline he was almost at

[coryb78]

I'm not saying get rid of Ryan. But we have a slightly above average QB, he isn't a top 10 guy. Can't be when you don't carry the team when it needs it

I only measure a QB by one standard. "Can you win a SB with him?" The answer is, "yes" without a doubt in my mind.

[BCEagleATLFalcon]

You have to throw it out of bounds to throw it away....that wasn't close. If he was throwing it away he'd go towards the sideline he was almost at

Agreed. I'm just repeating what he said in his presser.

[Brutha Mike]

I loved Ryan and how he embraced the team and had some great moments.

But we pay the guy $20 million a year and have 6 wins since that extension to show for it. We could literally plug in an undrafted QB and probably stumble into 6 wins in 1.5 seasons

He isn't carrying the team, which you have to do when you account for that much payroll.

Stafford gets paid a lot, had no Calvin, no Reggie, none of his three TE's, and still marched his team down the field for a 21 points comeback

...and if we had a pass rush it wouldn't have happened. No pocket passer plays well without a pocket.

I thought he sucked today in the 2nd half even with time, but in general the last 2 seasons he has had none. He was hearing phantom footsteps. I hope they haven't simply ruined him.

[DonDaLuvMaker]

He said he was just trying to throw it away and didn't see the guy.

That was a heck of a lot of air under a throw-away.

Yeah, it was a lot of air under that throw.

I'm not really going crazy over it like some are though. I have seen a list of who's who of QBs that have thrown picks just like that over the years.

Was I disappointed that Ryan even tried to attempt that throw? Yes

Will I say that he sucks and is terrible because of that throw? Nah

[TheFatboi]

That was an awful throw by Ryan.

I have seen many QBs(many good QBs and many bad QBs) make that same mistake though in all my years of watching the NFL.

I've rarely seen the cream of the crop throw a gimme tho. That's what I was eluding to earlier. Peyton doesn't do that. Brady doesn't do that. Rodgers, Brees, Montana, young, Bradshaw, airman, Warner, Moon etc...Not with the lead. Your leader isn't expected to make THESE kind of mistakes. He's expected to lead us to victory.

We were winning so just throw the ball away. Guys have bad games sure. The best have those days but NOT when they're winning the game 21-0. And when things start getting bad they take OVER the game. Even Vick took over games when he was here when things broke down and he NEVER had a line either. At least in the passing game.

I just want him to take a game completely over when sh!t gets bad. Like have an "f*ck it, I'll donit myself attitude ", that's the one trait that the greats have that I don't see in him yet. He has everything else but that and I'm a Matt Ryan fan.

Asante helped his game by telling him what he saw in his play. It helped. He's reverted back to some of those traits. It's the Nfl so it won't be peaches and cream every week but as the leader of our favorite team he can't make THOSE kind of mistakes. They're just unacceptable and he knows that. I know he's kicking himself more than anybody here is.

[Dharma Initiative]

I've rarely seen the cream of the crop throw a gimme tho. That's what I was eluding to earlier. Peyton doesn't do that. Brady doesn't do that. Rodgers, Brees, Montana, young, Bradshaw, airman, Warner, Moon etc...Not with the lead. Your leader isn't expected to make THESE kind of mistakes. He's expected to lead us to victory.

We were winning so just throw the ball away. Guys have bad games sure. The best have those days but NOT when they're winning the game 21-0. And when things start getting bad they take OVER the game. Even Vick took over games when he was here when things broke down and he NEVER had a line either. At least in the passing game.

I just want him to take a game completely over when sh!t gets bad. Like have an "f*ck it, I'll donit myself attitude ", that's the one trait that the greats have that I don't see in him yet. He has everything else but that and I'm a Matt Ryan fan.

Asante helped his game by telling him what he saw in his play. It helped. He's reverted back to some of those traits. It's the Nfl so it won't be peaches and cream every week but as the leader of our favorite team he can't make THOSE kind of mistakes. They're just unacceptable and he knows that. I know he's kicking himself more than anybody here is.

Yep. People say Manning/Brady/Rodgers wouldn't do any better behind this line, but they'd let the line know they have to perform better. You constantly see those guys chew out their teammates if they have a big mistake. It's like Michael Jordan making his teammates scared of not performing well because of him that they went the extra mile at practice and working out to get better.

Ryan just has the "oh well, get em next time" attitude

[coryb78]

I've rarely seen the cream of the crop throw a gimme tho. That's what I was eluding to earlier. Peyton doesn't do that. Brady doesn't do that. Rodgers, Brees, Montana, young, Bradshaw, airman, Warner, Moon etc...Not with the lead. Your leader isn't expected to make THESE kind of mistakes. He's expected to lead us to victory.

We were winning so just throw the ball away. Guys have bad games sure. The best have those days but NOT when they're winning the game 21-0. And when things start getting bad they take OVER the game. Even Vick took over games when he was here when things broke down and he NEVER had a line either. At least in the passing game.

I just want him to take a game completely over when sh!t gets bad. Like have an "f*ck it, I'll donit myself attitude ", that's the one trait that the greats have that I don't see in him yet. He has everything else but that and I'm a Matt Ryan fan.

Asante helped his game by telling him what he saw in his play. It helped. He's reverted back to some of those traits. It's the Nfl so it won't be peaches and cream every week but as the leader of our favorite team he can't make THOSE kind of mistakes. They're just unacceptable and he knows that. I know he's kicking himself more than anybody here is.

Trust me every one of those guys you mention has thrown a WTF interception in their careers. Peyton has had a six int. game before and Warner used to be a turnover machine when they were the greatest show on turf. Trust me they all did it we just didn't see it.

As for Vick.....well does anyone remember that time he lined up under the guard? He had his moments of brightness but he also wasn't one to just win it on his own.

[FalconBlood23]

I've rarely seen the cream of the crop throw a gimme tho. That's what I was eluding to earlier. Peyton doesn't do that. Brady doesn't do that. Rodgers, Brees, Montana, young, Bradshaw, airman, Warner, Moon etc...Not with the lead. Your leader isn't expected to make THESE kind of mistakes. He's expected to lead us to victory.

We were winning so just throw the ball away. Guys have bad games sure. The best have those days but NOT when they're winning the game 21-0. And when things start getting bad they take OVER the game. Even Vick took over games when he was here when things broke down and he NEVER had a line either. At least in the passing game.

I just want him to take a game completely over when sh!t gets bad. Like have an "f*ck it, I'll donit myself attitude ", that's the one trait that the greats have that I don't see in him yet. He has everything else but that and I'm a Matt Ryan fan.

Asante helped his game by telling him what he saw in his play. It helped. He's reverted back to some of those traits. It's the Nfl so it won't be peaches and cream every week but as the leader of our favorite team he can't make THOSE kind of mistakes. They're just unacceptable and he knows that. I know he's kicking himself more than anybody here is.

Please go watch our first game of this season against the Saints. If his play in that game doesn't show you the "f you" attitude I'll do it myself then nothing will. The defense was garbage and he still played out of his mind and scrambled and threw for a heck of a game. If you're telling me that isn't taking over a game then I don't know what is.

Edited October 26, 2014 by FalconBlood23

[TheFatboi]

Yep. People say Manning/Brady/Rodgers wouldn't do any better behind this line, but they'd let the line know they have to perform better. You constantly see those guys chew out their teammates if they have a big mistake. It's like Michael Jordan making his teammates scared of not performing well because of him that they went the extra mile at practice and working out to get better.

Ryan just has the "oh well, get em next time" attitude

Exactly. That's the vibe he gives off. I've seen Brady/Manning absolutely rip a new one in his line and/or his skills players as well. I don't dispute he wants to win just as much as the other guys but the other guys DEMAND the best out of their teammates. Ala Jordan like you said. They've had fights at practice because he demanded perfection. I've heard teammates of Brady or manning say they demand perfection out of them. I'd like to feel that's how Ryan is with his team. It may just not be in him to do that.