atljbo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 http://www.si.com/nf...r-brian-robison Smarter Stats: Sacks don't tell the whole story of NFL's best pass rushersSacks are overrated. There, we said it.Last season, Minnesota's Brian Robison had nine quarterback sacks in 989 total defensive snaps. A decent number, to be sure, but some may have wondered why the Vikings rewarded a player who had never hit double-digit sacks in any of his seven NFL seasons with a five-year, $32.4 million contract extension in 2013. Through seven games of the 2014 campaign, Robison has 0.5 sacks, which would seem to mark a relative failure. But here's the thing: Robison affects opposing quarterbacks in other ways, and he does so as well as any other defender in the league. In 2013, he led all defensive players in quarterback hurries, according to Pro Football Focus, with 63. And this season, only Cincinnati's Wallace Gilberry has more hurries (20) than Robison's 19.It makes a difference. Hurries affect the timing of pass plays, even if those plays aren't shut down as they are with sacks. For example, Drew Brees has seven interceptions in 2014, and five of them have come while under pressure. His completion percentage drops from 67.7 percent to 52.4 when he's pressured, and he's tied with Houston's Ryan Fitzpatrick with six plays in which he's hit as he's throwing the ball. If you affect the quarterback's timing, no matter how good he is, the effectiveness of the offense you're facing will be altered.Everybody knows that J.J. Watt was the NFL's most dominant defensive player in 2013, and he's on pace to be even more amazing in 2014. But Watt's effectiveness is about more than sacks, batted passes, obvious run stops and other splash plays. Last season, Watt led the league with an amazing 36 quarterback hits in 998 snaps. He had 10.5 sacks, which was seen as a downturn in overall pressure from the 20.5 sacks Watt put up in 2012. But when you factor in those 36 hits and his 38 hurries, Watt's pressure percentage of 8.4 was actually better than the 7.9 he had the year before, when he finished with 20.5 takedowns, 25 hits and 30 hurries. This season, however... well, he's playing at an entirely different level, with a 9.8 pressure percentage (five sacks, 22 hits and 19 hurries on 470 snaps). Watt's perceived value is insane because he can get pressure from any gap and in the face of double-teams, but when you add in the fact that he's providing some sort of pressure on nearly one in 10 offensive plays -- well, that's not really even human. His five sacks tell so little of the story.Just because a player doesn't get all the way to the quarterback doesn't mean that he isn't doing his job as a pass-rusher. Conversely, just because he is picking up big sack numbers doesn't mean that he's maxing out his defensive efficiency. And things can change from season to season. Consider the case of defensive end Willie Young, who moved from Detroit to Chicago this past offseason when the Bears signed him to a three-year, $9 million contract. It was a major bargain when you consider Young's numbers in 2013 -- yes, he had just three sacks, but he put up eight hits and 48 hurries. This season, only Denver's Von Miller has more sacks this season than Young's seven. However, Young's total pressures are way down -- just one hit and six hurries.Pressure is relative in the NFL, and sacks don't even come close to telling the whole story. So, with that in mind, we've created two categories this week: The first includes those players with very few sacks and a large number of total pressures, and the second includes those players who aren't getting home when they're not getting sacks. (All numbers per Pro Football Focus).The "Almost" Awards (High pressure, low sack total)Chicago Bears DE Lamarr Houston (0 sacks, 10 hits, 15 hurries)Dallas Cowboys DE Jeremy Mincey (0 sacks, 4 hits, 19 hurries)Minnesota Vikings DE Brian Robison(0.5 sacks, 3 hits, 19 hurries)Seattle Seahawks DEs Cliff Avril (1 sack, 2 hits, 17 hurries) and Michael Bennett (3 sacks 9 hits, 16 hurries)St. Louis Rams DE William Hayes (0 sacks, 2 hits, 19 hurries)New Orleans Saints DE Cameron Jordan (1 sack, 3 hits, 15 hurries)San Francisco 49ers DE Ray McDonald (0 sacks, 1 hit 15 hurries)Arizona Cardinals DE Tommy Kelly (0 sacks, 1 hit, 12 hurries)Oakland Raiders OLB Khalil Mack (0 sacks, 4 hits, 12 hurries)Tennessee Titans OLB Derrick Morgan (1 sack, 3 hits, 13 hurries)The "Glad You Got There" Awards (Low pressure, high efficiency)Chicago Bears DE Willie Young (7 sacks, 1 hit, 6 hurries)Carolina Panthers DE Mario Addison (4 sacks, 2 hits, 2 hurries)Detroit Lions DE George Johnson (4 sacks, 2 hits, 7 hurries)Jacksonville Jaguars DE Chris Clemons (4 sacks, 3 hits, 4 hurries)Philadelphia Eagles OLB Connor Barwin (6 sacks, 3 hits, 9 hurries)So, who are the NFL's most efficient bringers of pressure? Watt leads the charge among 3-4 ends (and all defensive players by far) with 46 total pressures, but don't overlook Washington's Jason Hatcher, a great free-agent signing, who has 26 total pressures. And Tennessee's Jurrell Casey, who new defensive coordinator Ray Horton is using in some different ways this season (you don't often see a 300-pound standup pass-rusher) has 23 total pressures, which is right in line with his recent significant impact. While the rest of the Jets' defense looks like a disaster, their defensive front is certainly for real -- Sheldon Richardson (22 pressures) and Muhammad Wilkerson (21 pressures) are the best one-two punch of 3-4 ends in the NFL.Miami's Cameron Wake leads all 4-3 defensive ends with 29 total pressures, and three players -- Seattle's Michael Bennett, Denver's DeMarcus Ware and Cincinnati's Wallace Gilberry -- are second with 27. This is where positional lines can get blurred, though -- Ware is playing as an outside linebacker from a gap perspective at times, while Bennett slips inside to five-tech tackle more than a lot of ends will.Washington's Ryan Kerrigan leads all 3-4 outside linebackers with 34 pressures, with three familiar names (Dwight Freeney, Justin Houston, Elvis Dumervil) behind at 29, 28 and 27, respectively.When it comes to inside linebackers as pass rushers, there's Baltimore rookie C.J. Mosley and there's everybody else. Mosley has 12 pressures, and five players (Rolando McClain, Larry Foote, A.J. Hawk, Jerod Mayo and Dont'a Hightower) are second with seven. Mayo's season-ending knee injury was a major hit to the Patriots' front seven in this regard. We'll have more about Mosley's success on the field soon.The competition at 4-3 outside linebacker really isn't one at all: Denver's Von Miller has racked up 35 pressures so far, and Minnesota rookie Anthony Barr ranks second with 10.It's no surprise that two members of the Detroit defensive line (Ndamukong Suh with 24, Nick Fairley with 21) lead all defensive tackles in pressures, but Jacksonville's Sen'Derrick Marks deserves more attention than he's getting. Marks is tied with Fairley in overall pressures, and he had 39 last season on a Jaguars defense that is still finding its way.The larger point? From the most casual fan to the dialed-in team executive, going beyond the simple sack statistic is key to understanding how defense really works.I think its time for a coaching staff change but i have alwasys agreed with Smitty that its not all about sacks... The man never said Sacks dont matter... He just says affecting the QB consistently is more important... Sacks are good but consistent pressure is more important... This article points that out... Our problem is we get neither Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It's no surprise that two members of the Detroit defensive line (Ndamukong Suh with 24, Nick Fairley with 21) lead all defensive tackles in pressures, but Jacksonville's Sen'Derrick Marks deserves more attention than he's getting. Marks is tied with Fairley in overall pressures, and he had 39 last season on a Jaguars defense that is still finding its way.I think they're numbers are going to go waaaay up.We are going to get smoked Sunday.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 I think they're numbers are going to go waaaay up.We are going to get smoked Sunday....thats wrong man ..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power I Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I think I'd trade my first born for Von Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Sacks end drives and create turnovers were pressures don't unless it turns into a turnover.if you tell your players just get pressure vs sacks that how you end up with a team like this should tell them just just go get the qb it doesn't matter how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Pressures don't mean **** if passes are completed. Also I figured those with high pressure counts have good sack totals 8+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power I Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I will never agree with the saying that sacks are overrated. A pressure can still lead to a touchdown. A sack can't. Sure, I'd love a player that pressures the quarterback every down he doesn't get a sack, but I'd much rather have a sack than a pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre5000 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I love they used the term "almost" I nicknamed Bierman "Almost" last year cause he "almost" got a few sacks LOl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre5000 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Theres guys on this list with more pressures than our entire defensive team. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Door Gunner Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) This is TATF. Sacks are the only stat that matters. Touch downs, Rushing yards, Tackles, Interceptions, Blah, Blah, Blah, don't mean **** here. He!!, I'm starting to think sacks are more important than wins in these parts. Edited October 22, 2014 by Door Gunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I've always understood what Smith was getting at and even agreed with him. Always got a laugh out of those people who try to twist it into something terrible. Same folks do it with everything. Always making mountains out of mole hills. Plenty of real stuff to criticize, never felt the need to create other stuff out of nothing for the sole reason to help further dump on someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Harvey Oswald Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 This reminds me of a Mike Epps old man skit....."I like-to-hat-to-got-that P---y." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy5prings Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Willie Young and LaMarr Houston - two guys we could have definitely signed this year without breaking the bank. With the promise that Mass is showing even one of Young/Houston could have made our defense half decent.Instead we have the Beer man and some guys picked up from a homeless shelter pretending to be NFL defenders for the Falcons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconstwopercentsized Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I will never agree with the saying that sacks are overrated. A pressure can still lead to a touchdown. A sack can't. Sure, I'd love a player that pressures the quarterback every down he doesn't get a sack, but I'd much rather have a sack than a pressure.Playoff game vs packers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 "Sacks don't end in TDs" well obviously. But you aren't going to get a sack on every play. Thats like saying I dont want big offensive plays because sometimes they don't end in TDs. Just dumb. If you get 5 sacks in a game and zero pressures outside of that you're going to be screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sacks end drives and create turnovers were pressures don't unless it turns into a turnover.if you tell your players just get pressure vs sacks that how you end up with a team like this should tell them just just go get the qb it doesn't matter how.Yall missing the point.... Yall want to see what you want to see... No one says sacks dont matter but if you got 2 sacks in a whole game.. You made2 plays ... If you create pressure the whole game ... you affect the whole game.Sacks get you paid .... But a guy yall begging for said sacks can be over rated (Justin Houston) ... The point is affecting the game more then just that one play you got a sack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 I've always understood what Smith was getting at and even agreed with him. Always got a laugh out of those people who try to twist it into something terrible. Same folks do it with everything. Always making mountains out of mole hills. Plenty of real stuff to criticize, never felt the need to create other stuff out of nothing for the sole reason to help further dump on someone.I dont get it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Just go back and look at Mass on Sunday. He was balling and getting constant pressure. He should have had a two sack game. Yet, our dunces of coaches refused to play him until now. He didn't get a sack, but he got plenty of pressure. If this truly was Smitty's mantra, he would have played Mass a long time ago and not Kroy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Just go back and look at Mass on Sunday. He was balling and getting constant pressure. He should have had a two sack game. Yet, our dunces of coaches refused to play him until now.He didn't get a sack, but he got plenty of pressure. If this truly was Smitty's mantra, he would have played Mass a long time ago and not Kroy.1 thing .. Why do Nolan get a pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Bottom line: QB's are not troubled by our pass rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconstwopercentsized Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Maponga is showing promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 1 thing .. Why do Nolan get a passHe doesn't but he falls under Smitty in my eyes and any man who can't stand up and run his scheme needs to go. Either Smitty is micro-managing and Nolan won't stand up and run his defense or Nolan truly believes this shlt will work. I go with the latter because he re-signed here. Neither can explain why they used the obviously less talented Kroy B over the obviously more capable Johnny Mass. Poor coaching has been a problem since 2008 and Smitty is in charge of building this staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Maponga is showing promise.Exactly. And he's had close to 0 snaps the last three games combined. He's doomed to the bench for 2 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Bottom line: QB's are not troubled by our pass rush.When it gets there, they actually are. Last year we had the biggest difference between defensive snaps with pressure and without. When we got pressure we were one of the most efficient Ds in the league. The problem is, we never get pressure and when we don't, we get gouged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm sure what Smitty meant was hits and hurries are underrated. If so, he is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.