Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 ...and a new regime comes in here and has to spend the next two or three years rebuilding our defense and our O-line who will be your scape goat for the losses then? Yes, it will take that long too. We already knew we were going to have to work on the defense but the rash of injuries along the offensive line means that's a priority again too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AREA 51 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Even a journey of a million miles starts with one step. I cannot see staying with the status quo because to change it would be a hassle, if that is what you are saying.Losing to rebuild, to me, is better than losing while hoping things will get better. Edited October 20, 2014 by AREA 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconguy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 ...and a new regime comes in here and has to spend the next two or three years rebuilding our defense and our O-line who will be your scape goat for the losses then? Yes, it will take that long too. We already knew we were going to have to work on the defense but the rash of injuries along the offensive line means that's a priority again too.what do you suggest? we keep dimi and smith?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Don't take me wrong. I'm accepting that Smith and Dimi are probably gone. I'm just asking who the scape goat is going to be for the losses when they go because everyone seems to think a new coach and GM will be some magic elixir. I don't see it that way as this team needs an influx of players in the trenches at this point. More than what can be done in one off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AREA 51 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Don't take me wrong. I'm accepting that Smith and Dimi are probably gone. I'm just asking who the scape goat is going to be for the losses when they go because everyone seems to think a new coach and GM will be some magic elixir. I don't see it that way as this team needs an influx of players in the trenches at this point. More than what can be done in one off season.I do not know if it is a magical elixir, but the coach and the general manager are the ones who build and manage the team. With your use of the word scapegoat, I sense you are not convinced they should go, and that is certainly your prerogative, but to get a poorly constructed house done right, one must change the builder. There is just no way around that.Now, if you believe it is more the player's fault, which it is since they play the game, remember these two picked them and coached them. I think that is what it is all about. Many of us would clear out a good part of the roster as well as Dimitroff and Smith, but ultimately these two are paid to put together a roster and make sure it performs. They have failed miserably of late. Scapegoat is not the word I would use. Responsibility is the word I would use, and fielding a competent football team is the responsibility of Dimitroff and Smith. If they are gone, that responsibility will transfer to the next regime. Edited October 20, 2014 by AREA 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 ...and a new regime comes in here and has to spend the next two or three years rebuilding our defense and our O-line who will be your scape goat for the losses then? Yes, it will take that long too. We already knew we were going to have to work on the defense but the rash of injuries along the offensive line means that's a priority again too....Because it makes more sense to stay with the regime that brought this team a 4-12 record last year and will struggle to achieve such stellar results this year.Logic is not your friend. Did you ever think for a second that the people who want TD and Smith gone just want the Falcons to start winning football games again....that it isn't anything personal?But no, let's go with your plan and stick with what clearly isn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 We have no idea what kind of time a turn around would require. You can never predict those things. It may take 3-4 years to be a contender, it may happen essentially the next year like it did with Baalke and Harbaugh, etc. That's if we get the right guy(s). There's always a potential that you don't hire the right tandem but that's no excuse to stand pat when you're seeing what we're seeing with this team right now.I've long banged on some of my fellow Falcons fans for being fairweather or frontrunners but the fan base deserves better than what we're seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 A regime change will yield immediate results. Because new coaching blood will cut the fat of the old, limited impact players and will figure reasonable ways to use the existing talent.Plus, a new regime would add a couple additional pieces. And then everyone will say "See, I told you we should have fired everyone!"And then 5 years later when the returns diminish, the same people pissing and moaning right now will say the new GM and coach were "riding the coat tails of a regime that had 5 straight winning seasons before injuries got them fired"Watch it. It's guaran-*******-teed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) If you read this board the overall feeling you come away with is that the most vocal critics of Smith and Dimitroff seem to think that changing coaches and/or GM's is going to be cause an instant turnaround in this teams fortunes. I've been willing to give Smith the benefit of a doubt up until recently but now I'm accepting that it's probably time for a change. I guess what my point is is that it's not going to be this instant fix that everyone seems to think it is, especially now with the rash of injuries along the O-line. I figure when it's all said and done we have two O-lineman that we can actually count on going forward, Mathews and Asamoah. Not good. Edited October 20, 2014 by Falc_Fan_Since_Six Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 ...Because it makes more sense to stay with the regime that brought this team a 4-12 record last year and will struggle to achieve such stellar results this year.Logic is not your friend. Did you ever think for a second that the people who want TD and Smith gone just want the Falcons to start winning football games again....that it isn't anything personal?But no, let's go with your plan and stick with what clearly isn't working.Missed the point...read my other post.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Missed the point...read my other post....I read it, but it's easy to infer from your initial post that you were somewhat angry with Falcon fans who want a change in the leadership of the Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So Assuming Smitty And Dimi Are Gone As Most Of You Want....WTBFH,,,,,,,,,,,,,Smitth Blew it in 2012 and every playoff prior to that.Now back to back seasons of a foul wretchedness to the likes thatnot one of you swinging richards has ecer seen in the NFL.and here you are defending this ???Dude GTFO ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 If you read this board the overall feeling you come away with is that the most vocal critics of Smith and Dimitroff seem to think that changing coaches and/or GM's is going to be cause an instant turnaround in this teams fortunes. I've been willing to give Smith the benefit of a doubt up until recently but now I'm accepting that it's probably time for a change. I guess what my point is is that it's not going to be this instant fix that everyone seems to think it is, especially now with the rash of injuries along the O-line. I figure when it's all said and done we have two O-lineman that we can actually count on going forward, Mathews and Asamoah. Not good.I disagree with that. Most teams that have franchise QB's are in win now mode. A new head coach and GM that bring new ideas and new concepts in make the team unpredictable. I think the team is more likely to be good than bad with a new head coach. Look at the Chargers right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) A regime change will yield immediate results. Case in point right here. How can you logically and realistically say that with all the problems with the defense and the injuries along the O-line? A new coach and GM is just going to magically fix all that? I don't think so.... So who is going to be blamed when it doesn't get fixed immediately? AB? The new coach and GM? .... They players (now there's a novel idea) Not saying keep Smith....not at all.... but it's just been so long they I have seen him blamed for EVERYTHING that's wrong......I just thing some people here are in for a rude awakening when the team doesn't immediately turn around. Edited October 20, 2014 by Falc_Fan_Since_Six Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 I read it, but it's easy to infer from your initial post that you were somewhat angry with Falcon fans who want a change in the leadership of the Falcons. Not angry at all....never get angry over something as trivial as football or other fans opinions. Just trying to make people think because I don't see the quick fix that so many others seem to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Case in point right here. How can you logically and realistically say that with all the problems with the denfense and the injuries along the O-line? A new coach and GM is just going to magically fix all that? I don't think so.... So who is going to be blamed when it doesn't get fixed immediately? AB? The new coach and GM? .... They players (now there's a novel idea) Not saying keep Smith....not at all.... but it's just been so long they I have seen him blamed for EVERYTHING that's wrong......I just thing some people here are in for a rude awakening when the team doesn't immediately turn around.Great coahces get the very best out of their players. If we brought in the right guy, its not unrealistic to expect immediate improvment. Jim Mora and Mike Smith both were VERY successful in their first years. In Mora's first season, his defense was DRASTICALLY improved and he had pretty close to the same group of guys from the 2003 squad, and that defense was 32nd in passing yards and points allowed. We have talented guys on the roster, Smith is just not utliizing them correctly. Also, when players don't believe in a system or coach anymore, they lose motivation and desire to play up to the best of their ability. Edited October 20, 2014 by JD dirtybird21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 So Assuming Smitty And Dimi Are Gone As Most Of You Want....WTBFH,,,,,,,,,,,,,Smitth Blew it in 2012 and every playoff prior to that.Now back to back seasons of a foul wretchedness to the likes thatnot one of you swinging richards has ecer seen in the NFL.and here you are defending this ???Dude GTFO ! Honestly.....some people can't read..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falc_Fan_Since_Six Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Great coahces get the very best out of their players. If we brought in the right guy, its not unrealistic to expect immediate improvment. Jim Mora and Mike Smith both were VERY successful in their first years. In Mora's first season, his defense was DRASTICALLY improved and he had pretty close to the same group of guys from the 2003 squad, and that defense was 32nd in passing yards and points allowed. We have talented guys on the roster, Smith is just not utliizing them correctly. Also, when players don't believe in a system or coach anymore, they lose motivation and desire to play up to the best of their ability.Not going to disagree with you there would be some improvement but I say again....you have exactly two O lineman you can depend on.... I just don't see this quick fix that it seems like 98% of this board believes is going to happen. I would give anything to see it happen but I don't believe it will.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 ...and a new regime comes in here and has to spend the next two or three years rebuilding our defense and our O-line who will be your scape goat for the losses then? Yes, it will take that long too. We already knew we were going to have to work on the defense but the rash of injuries along the offensive line means that's a priority again too.Are you guaranteeing losses ??If so............please Guarantee wins instead for the remaining games in 2014 so we can eliminate all this "change" nonsense. Much better for everyone all around.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Not going to disagree with you there would be some improvement but I say again....you have exactly two O lineman you can depend on.... I just don't see this quick fix that it seems like 98% of this board believes is going to happen. I would give anything to see it happen but I don't believe it will....I don't know man, after seeing the 2007 team transition into the 2008 team, I believe anything is possible. The 2007 team was so putrid, so awful. And then in the offseason, we cut ties with Dunn, Duckett, Crumpler, and D Hall. NFL experts projected us to have the 1st overall pick in the 2009 draft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSmithsNotepad Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 We have a glorified linebackers coach and a college scout at our two vital upper mgt positions. Arthur Blank tried to think outside of the box, which got great REGULAR SEASON results for 5 years but the ceiling has been reached and its time to move on. If it means taking a step back for a second then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 If you read this board the overall feeling you come away with is that the most vocal critics of Smith and Dimitroff seem to think that changing coaches and/or GM's is going to be cause an instant turnaround in this teams fortunes. I've been willing to give Smith the benefit of a doubt up until recently but now I'm accepting that it's probably time for a change. I guess what my point is is that it's not going to be this instant fix that everyone seems to think it is, especially now with the rash of injuries along the O-line. I figure when it's all said and done we have two O-lineman that we can actually count on going forward, Mathews and Asamoah. Not good.You say you know it's "probably" time for a change, but then you start whining it's not going to be an instant fix like all the people say it's going to be. In many cases teams who replace their coach or manager experience an immediate improvement in their performance. Just because players can finally relax and just play without the weight of a failing coaching staff on their shoulders. Not to mention the pathetic misuse of talent by Smith, and the horribad in-game coaching decisions and oh yes, that soft-as-butter defensive scheme that features no pass rush and soft zone pass coverage. I got a strong feeling a new HC might be better at a lot of those issues if not all of them.Could there be a lengthy period before we're consistently back in the play-offs again? It's possible, but this team only won one play-off game during this regime's tenure, and we're nearing the bottom of the cycle in terms of regular season won-loss record. If you fear hitting rock bottom with a new regime, relax. The present regime has basically already delivered you there.Take a deep breath and pull yourself together. Things will start improving the moment Smith (and TD) are out of here. I'm looking forward to seeing who will be the new GM and HC. I am very confident both replacements will be far better than the current regime and we'll be heading up again instead of down like we've been doing for the past 23 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Right on! I don't like what's going on now myself. As hard as it is to say and even think of this, I would take Jim H and Rex R on this team with ryan as DC only. If this will get our team better, then why not? We can only hope for the right football minds out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBender Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Wait..... Everyone here seems to think that it COULD just be a minor set back. However what if the new regime comes in and are worse than what we have now? I will acknowledge that it could be a remedy even though I doubt it but What if it is worse what then? Do we change scheme and players and coaches again? Does it ever stop? Will there ever be a long term coach in Atlanta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I don't know man, after seeing the 2007 team transition into the 2008 team, I believe anything is possible. The 2007 team was so putrid, so awful. And then in the offseason, we cut ties with Dunn, Duckett, Crumpler, and D Hall. NFL experts projected us to have the 1st overall pick in the 2009 draft...I remember even reading a couple of national NFL "analysts" saying that the Falcons wouldn't win a single game in 2008.If the right choices are made it's possible for there to be a quick turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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