outofsight2484 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Well since Nolan was signed as DC we did not resign lofton or grimes and cut abe. Nolan def had his imput on these moves. Td traded the farm for JJ and along with the moves mentioned above has failed to get a pass rusher or any other impact players on D through the draft or free agency. This is not Smiths fault, no coach can win with what we got! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtldirtybird Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Everyone in professional sports would do that julio trade over and over...the browns regret it so bad, they wouldnt be worrying about josh gordons suspensions and have Julio. and Smith is worse than TD I think, we have a bunch of talent that he makes look mediocre, most other teams have no namers stepping up left and right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apl2g Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's the coaches job to develop talent. Smith doesn't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Oh my god..Stop putting all the defensive blame on Nolan. A lot of that ish we ran with BVG is still alive and well in Atlanta today. Long story short-common denominator Edited October 17, 2014 by facelessman07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunn-Vick-Duckett Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I have to kinda agree, Ive always like Smitty. Sure sone things about him are frustrating, but hes done a lot for us. The problem our team has is lack of talent. Look, if Mike Tice and Bryan Cox cant get through to our guys, what chance dya give Mike Smith? Im beginning to get on the "Get rid of TD" train, he had a good first year, and started to rest on his laurels.It may not be the popular opinion in these parts, but I sure as heck wouldnt mind having Smith back next season, with a new GM, someone who wont get content with a few good years, and strive to be nothing but the best by giving our coaches top talent to work with.At the time of TD's hiring, I believe too much emphasis was put on the fact that he'd come from the Patriots, and that maybe he would inject a little Belicheck magic into Atlanta. It did for one year, and,maybe that made TD think running a team was a piece of cake.I'll be happy to admit if im wrong, but I'm willing to bet that with the right moves being made by our GM, coach Smith can once again thrive here. Just one guys opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's the coaches job to develop talent. Smith doesn't do that.gotta have talent to do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Rage Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 OMFG. Once again people. Smith has his say on the guys that get drafted too!!!! That's one of the biggest problems we have. The head coach should be one of the best, if not the best evaluator of talent in the organization. You guys with this BS, it's driving me crazy. Smith is the problem. Fire all the MOFOs please, but smith is the biggest problem!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 OMFG. Once again people. Smith has his say on the guys that get drafted too!!!! That's one of the biggest problems we have. The head coach should be one of the best, if not the best evaluator of talent in the organization. You guys with this BS, it's driving me crazy. Smith is the problem. Fire all the MOFOs please, but smith is the biggest problem!!I agree smith is part of the problem, but how do you figure he is the main culprit?Yea he has SAY in some if not all the players he get, BUT, TD has final say weather smitty likes he decision or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Why is Mike Smith the victim here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnasty Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Oh my god..Stop putting all the defensive blame on Nolan. A lot of that ish we ran with BVG is still alive in Atlanta today. Long story short-common denominator/thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Mike Smith is ultimately responsible. Plain and simple. I am sure that he understands this all too well. He will get canned at the end of the season, Tommy will hire another guy and life will go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Rage Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I agree smith is part of the problem, but how do you figure he is the main culprit?Yea he has SAY in some if not all the players he get, BUT, TD has final say weather smitty likes he decision or not.Lol, so you're telling me that TD forces players on smith weather he likes it or not. Let's just think about that now shall we. This is a collection of guys that the coaching staff has selected and or approved of. Now, TD is obviously the guy narrowing down the list, so he has responsibility for this as well. But ultimately, this is the responsibility of smith and his coaching staff. They are the ones who can't even get the best talent on the team in the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This defense, with pass rushers still dropping into coverage, arguably subpar vets playing in the stead of promising younger guys, no pass rush, soft zones, and the inability to stop the run has the hands of Smitty all over it. There's got to be a reason why Nolan has one of his worst defenses here, and is only doing marginally better than BVG. Like it was mentioned before, it's the common denominator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Well since Nolan was signed as DC we did not resign lofton or grimes and cut abe. Nolan def had his imput on these moves. Td traded the farm for JJ and along with the moves mentioned above has failed to get a pass rusher or any other impact players on D through the draft or free agency.This is not Smiths fault, no coach can win with what we got!Smitty apologists are pathetic at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 "This is not Smiths fault, no coach can win with what we got!..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 If Falcons stayed true to the process of being a ground and pound team and smart defense team we could have probably won a championship but instead we had to try and be like GB Packers or Saints and a explosive offense. We lost our way and it cost us. Mike Smith is not to blame for mess Falcons in but will be the fall guy. A new coach is not going to fix this mess1. He makes the decisions of what the team will be.2. He hires the coordinators to implement the scheme he wants.3. Head coaches are part of the player acquisition process.Trying to pass the buck for Smitty is not only idiotic but displays how little you know about the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_own_nfc_south Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Lack of Talent? Did Coach Smith give Mass or Mop full opportunity? He's loyal to his guys that's all I know. You can't expect player to come for few plays and hope that he just dominates it. Edited October 17, 2014 by falcon_owns_nfc_south Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawse Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Oh my god..Stop putting all the defensive blame on Nolan. A lot of that ish we ran with BVG is still alive in Atlanta today. Long story short-common denominator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_own_nfc_south Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Maybe because the general manager paid Kroy Bierman all that money and is forcing him to play or would look worse ?So we are saying that Coach Smith is TD's puppet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Your clueless if you think Mike Smith wanted any part of Julio trade. Go live under a rock. A defensive minded / ground and pound coach wants to trade 5 picks for a wr? No it was forced upon him like other moves this franchise has madeIf you honestly believe Smitty had zero say in that trade or any other move then you are as clueless as they come. It's borderline pitiable ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunn-Vick-Duckett Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Mike Smith is ultimately responsible. Plain and simple. I am sure that he understands this all too well. He will get canned at the end of the season, Tommy will hire another guy and life will go on.I'm so tired of coaches being blamed for the poor play of players. Sure, sometimes coaches dont realize full potential of their players. But, on defense, are you honestly telling me even the best coaches in the league, could get them to play better?Sometimes, it really is the players, no matter how much we want to blame the coach. And TD is ultimatley respobsible, as you put it, for finding the players. TD should be fired before Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_own_nfc_south Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Your clueless if you think Mike Smith wanted any part of Julio trade. Go live under a rock. A defensive minded / ground and pound coach wants to trade 5 picks for a wr? No it was forced upon him like other moves this franchise has madeSo based on your statement, TD made a call to draft Matt Ryan and sign Turner. Coach Smith has been riding TD and Ryan's success Edited October 17, 2014 by falcon_owns_nfc_south Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_own_nfc_south Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm so tired of coaches being blamed for the poor play of players. Sure, sometimes coaches dont realize full potential of their players. But, on defense, are you honestly telling me even the best coaches in the league, could get them to play better?Sometimes, it really is the players, no matter how much we want to blame the coach. And TD is ultimatley respobsible, as you put it, for finding the players. TD should be fired before Smith.I blame the scheme more than coaching staff but who puts together the scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 If he did he was out voted by Blank and TD. They wanted Julio move not Mike SmithYou really are clueless if you think GM, HC and Owner agree all the timeThere are moves like Julio trade that Smith wanted no part of but went with what owner and GM wantedYou keep saying that as if you personally know Smitty wanted no part of it and that TD and Blank basically had a gun to his head before making that kind of move. Do you care to provide a source or you are you pulling that argument out of your *** because it fits your narrative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Mike Smith smart ground and pound coachingDrafting of Ryan and signing of Turner helped us win a lot of regular season gamesThe pitfalls of this team came with poor drafting ,stupid 5 for 1 Julio trade mistakes and turnovers in playoffs and not making proper adjustments . The proper adjustments are on Mike Smith but he is good coachA defensive minded coach gave the ok for those offensive player moves but not the other one? I can't help but feel there is inconsistency in your narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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