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2014-2015 Atlanta Braves Off-Season Thread

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1. It's become easier to scout Cuban players because Cuba has been more active in international tournaments in the last 10 years or so. Also, video footage is escaping Cuba via the Internet. In short, teams are more confident now that they have a handle on a player before they sign. Finally, as more and more Cuban players come over and are successful, they nervousness decreases somewhat.

2. The international draft cap is only for amateur players. Cuban players that are at least 23 years old and have played in a Cuban professional league for at least five seasons are exempt.

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So far, this has been an interesting offseason. I'd like to see a few things happen next:

1) Since we are in a mini rebuild, I'd like to see what Kimbrel can fetch on the market with a serious attempt made to trade him if the price is reasonable. Before the season started, he signed a 4/42 contract that has a $13M team option and $1M buyout in 2018. I don't see us seriously competing again until at least 2016 anyway, and an expensive--albeit amazing--closer is more a luxury than necessity. If our brain trust is intent on re-stocking our farm, we need to dangle one of the few valuable pieces not named Justin Upton teams could want in Kimbrel. If he can bring back a nice offensively-talented prospect--something our farm system and lineup sorely misses--then we need to seriously consider it.

2) Trade Justin Upton if we aren't going to extend him. I like Justin, and I like him more than Yasmany Tomas, but if we aren't going to throw cash his way to stay, then he needs to go just like Heyward. I'd hate to see him go, but Justin will get $18M+ per year.

3) Focus more on hitting prospects in the draft as opposed to pitchers.

4) Continue to check in on Yasmany Tomas, but don't overpay just to have him when Justin Upton inevitably gets traded. I'd rather splurge on Moncado.

5) Hold onto BJ Upton. Yeah, I know, I can't stand him either. But since 2015 won't be a serious contending year anyway, it doesn't make sense to package him with Justin to lessen the return we'd get. Hold onto BJ another year, hope he regresses more toward his career norms, and then re-consider in another year. Besides, we do need someone with halfway decent talent manning CF for now. And no one is trading anything of substance to us besides an equally-bad contract for BJ.

In 2016, I hope our main players will look more like:

P: Ace/Teheran/Wood/Miller/Minor/Jenkins if he pans out

RP: Shae Simmons (closer if no Kimbrel)/Vizcaino/Medlen/Hale/LH Specialist

C: Bethancourt

1B: Freeman

2B: Peraza who will hit leadoff

SS: Simmons

3B: Not Chris Johnson (becomes expensive platoon player or benched)

LF: Gattis if not traded offseason 2015 to AL team

CF: Not BJ Upton (released offseason 2015 if he cannot become an average player)

RF: Unknown

That is a lot of uncertainty along with a lineup bereft of power and high OBP guys, but with the right moves, I think we can become a contending team again by 2017 with stellar pitching and a more balanced offensive lineup.

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So far, this has been an interesting offseason. I'd like to see a few things happen next:

1) Since we are in a mini rebuild, I'd like to see what Kimbrel can fetch on the market with a serious attempt made to trade him if the price is reasonable. Before the season started, he signed a 4/42 contract that has a $13M team option and $1M buyout in 2018. I don't see us seriously competing again until at least 2016 anyway, and an expensive--albeit amazing--closer is more a luxury than necessity. If our brain trust is intent on re-stocking our farm, we need to dangle one of the few valuable pieces not named Justin Upton teams could want in Kimbrel. If he can bring back a nice offensively-talented prospect--something our farm system and lineup sorely misses--then we need to seriously consider it.

2) Trade Justin Upton if we aren't going to extend him. I like Justin, and I like him more than Yasmany Tomas, but if we aren't going to throw cash his way to stay, then he needs to go just like Heyward. I'd hate to see him go, but Justin will get $18M+ per year.

3) Focus more on hitting prospects in the draft as opposed to pitchers.

4) Continue to check in on Yasmany Tomas, but don't overpay just to have him when Justin Upton inevitably gets traded. I'd rather splurge on Moncado.

5) Hold onto BJ Upton. Yeah, I know, I can't stand him either. But since 2015 won't be a serious contending year anyway, it doesn't make sense to package him with Justin to lessen the return we'd get. Hold onto BJ another year, hope he regresses more toward his career norms, and then re-consider in another year. Besides, we do need someone with halfway decent talent manning CF for now. And no one is trading anything of substance to us besides an equally-bad contract for BJ.

In 2016, I hope our main players will look more like:

P: Ace/Teheran/Wood/Miller/Minor/Jenkins if he pans out

RP: Shae Simmons (closer if no Kimbrel)/Vizcaino/Medlen/Hale/LH Specialist

C: Bethancourt

1B: Freeman

2B: Peraza who will hit leadoff

SS: Simmons

3B: Not Chris Johnson (becomes expensive platoon player or benched)

LF: Gattis if not traded offseason 2015 to AL team

CF: Not BJ Upton (released offseason 2015 if he cannot become an average player)

RF: Unknown

That is a lot of uncertainty along with a lineup bereft of power and high OBP guys, but with the right moves, I think we can become a contending team again by 2017 with stellar pitching and a more balanced offensive lineup.

Trading Kimbrel is the last thing this team needs to do outside of Freeman. We'd have lost another 20+ games the last two years without that guy

And at least while we suffer rebuilding we can enjoy have the best at something

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Trading Kimbrel is the last thing this team needs to do outside of Freeman. We'd have lost another 20+ games the last two years without that guy

And at least while we suffer rebuilding we can enjoy have the best at something

I get it, but Kimbrel is a luxury, not a necessity. I'd hate to see him go, as he could wind up as the best closer of all time if he can stay healthy and continue to pitch like this into his 30s. Problem is, we have crap in our farm system, as we need guys that can provide us with some offensive talent. Kimbrel could possibly fetch that. And of the guys we are presumably willing to trade of an value (Gattis, Justin Upton), Kimbrel provides a logical choice. His contract isn't back-breaking, nor do we have any logical and reliable replacements, but it makes sense if this rebuild is going to keep us from contending for a couple years.

If we are going to start losing 90 something games a year anyway, we can do that without Kimbrel and gain some nice pieces in return.

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So far, this has been an interesting offseason. I'd like to see a few things happen next:

1) Since we are in a mini rebuild, I'd like to see what Kimbrel can fetch on the market with a serious attempt made to trade him if the price is reasonable. Before the season started, he signed a 4/42 contract that has a $13M team option and $1M buyout in 2018. I don't see us seriously competing again until at least 2016 anyway, and an expensive--albeit amazing--closer is more a luxury than necessity. If our brain trust is intent on re-stocking our farm, we need to dangle one of the few valuable pieces not named Justin Upton teams could want in Kimbrel. If he can bring back a nice offensively-talented prospect--something our farm system and lineup sorely misses--then we need to seriously consider it.

2) Trade Justin Upton if we aren't going to extend him. I like Justin, and I like him more than Yasmany Tomas, but if we aren't going to throw cash his way to stay, then he needs to go just like Heyward. I'd hate to see him go, but Justin will get $18M+ per year.

3) Focus more on hitting prospects in the draft as opposed to pitchers.

4) Continue to check in on Yasmany Tomas, but don't overpay just to have him when Justin Upton inevitably gets traded. I'd rather splurge on Moncado.

5) Hold onto BJ Upton. Yeah, I know, I can't stand him either. But since 2015 won't be a serious contending year anyway, it doesn't make sense to package him with Justin to lessen the return we'd get. Hold onto BJ another year, hope he regresses more toward his career norms, and then re-consider in another year. Besides, we do need someone with halfway decent talent manning CF for now. And no one is trading anything of substance to us besides an equally-bad contract for BJ.

In 2016, I hope our main players will look more like:

P: Ace/Teheran/Wood/Miller/Minor/Jenkins if he pans out

RP: Shae Simmons (closer if no Kimbrel)/Vizcaino/Medlen/Hale/LH Specialist

C: Bethancourt

1B: Freeman

2B: Peraza who will hit leadoff

SS: Simmons

3B: Not Chris Johnson (becomes expensive platoon player or benched)

LF: Gattis if not traded offseason 2015 to AL team

CF: Not BJ Upton (released offseason 2015 if he cannot become an average player)

RF: Unknown

That is a lot of uncertainty along with a lineup bereft of power and high OBP guys, but with the right moves, I think we can become a contending team again by 2017 with stellar pitching and a more balanced offensive lineup.

You think they'll be competitive in a year yet you want to trade a guy who can be here for 5?

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I get it, but Kimbrel is a luxury, not a necessity. I'd hate to see him go, as he could wind up as the best closer of all time if he can stay healthy and continue to pitch like this into his 30s. Problem is, we have crap in our farm system, as we need guys that can provide us with some offensive talent. Kimbrel could possibly fetch that. And of the guys we are presumably willing to trade of an value (Gattis, Justin Upton), Kimbrel provides a logical choice. His contract isn't back-breaking, nor do we have any logical and reliable replacements, but it makes sense if this rebuild is going to keep us from contending for a couple years.

If we are going to start losing 90 something games a year anyway, we can do that without Kimbrel and gain some nice pieces in return.

And in years 2017-2019 we may lose 40 more games because our closer is average

We have that one part of the team secured, you can't just trade everyone of value away

Not to mention, trading probably the second most popular player wouldn't help the excitement going into the new stadium

And if we lose 90 games with a rotation of Teheran, Miller, Minor, Wood, and whoever is #5....then something went terribly wrong.

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And in years 2017-2019 we may lose 40 more games because our closer is average

We have that one part of the team secured, you can't just trade everyone of value away

Not to mention, trading probably the second most popular player wouldn't help the excitement going into the new stadium

And if we lose 90 games with a rotation of Teheran, Miller, Minor, Wood, and whoever is #5....then something went terribly wrong.

Lol 40 games? So you're saying if we trade kimbrel our replacement closer will blow every single appearance?

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Mariners have a few highly regarded prospects. Tajuan Walker is a SP and the cream of the crop. Walker was ranked #6 in all of baseball prior to 2014. 3B DJ Petersen is another guy coming up a lot. Peterson was rated #65 in MLB. He hit .297/.360/.552 with 31 HR, 111 RBI between High-A and Double-A in 2014.

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I don't think Walker is going to happen. I think it would have been done by now if either party were interested. They want more than just Upton for a virtual unknown. If they mean that, we should move along.

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I get it, but Kimbrel is a luxury, not a necessity. I'd hate to see him go, as he could wind up as the best closer of all time if he can stay healthy and continue to pitch like this into his 30s.

The way baseball is going, we need to be finding replacements for Venters and O'Flaherty rather than dealing Kimbrel. Having three dynamic arms at the end of the game is the best way to win now. Kansas City imitated us and almost won a World Series in doing so.

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If we are going to start losing 90 something games a year anyway, we can do that without Kimbrel and gain some nice pieces in return.

Hart indicated the other day that the team has no intention of losing 90 games. He said that was possible in Cleveland where nobody cared but not in Atlanta.

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Lol 40 games? So you're saying if we trade kimbrel our replacement closer will blow every single appearance?

Man, I hadn't thought about Bob Wickman for a while until you said that.

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Walker can be had but Mariners would need more than just Upton according to reports

Right, that's why I said "They want more than just Upton for a virtual unknown. If they mean that, we should move along."

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Right, that's why I said "They want more than just Upton for a virtual unknown. If they mean that, we should move along."

I would do Justin Upton, B.J. Upton, Evan Gattis, David Hale, J.R. Graham, Alec Grosser for Taijuan Walker, D.J. Petersen and Michael Saunders. Include want them to take B.J. Upton so in order to get them to take B.J. back and to still get top prospects back for Justin I'm inclined to include Gattis, Hale, Graham and Grosser and take one of the many average outfielders the Mariners have in return in Michael Saunders. I offer to pay up to half of B.J.'s contract to get the M's to take him. I let the M's have a 48-hour window to potentially work out a contract extension with Justin to make the trade more enticing to them. 6 for 3 swaps never happen but it's just a thought.

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