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Can We Pickup Michael Sam Now He's Released?

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**** NO, this dude was quoted as saying "looking forward to a long and successful NFL career". Would bring too much attention with him weekly questioning why he isn't getting playing time, are players getting along with him..Things we do not need, and he aint worth it.

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All this................ multiple threads and countless discussions over one of the several 7th round draft picks who were released, many of who we could argue are better than Starr.

A released, 7th round draft pick. Amazing to me.

We go from the mentality that a 7th round draft pick is at best a practice squad candidate to this particular 7th round draft pick we just have to have because he could help us so much and he's so much better than the players we targeted that fit our scheme and TD is an idiot for not considering this.

He showed enough in pre IMO to think he could develop into a pretty good situational edge rusher. Maybe, maybe not but he did flash some ability IMO ....outside rush being a huge weak link why not take a shot at him ? If he does not pan out, send him down the road. I'm talking PS for him, not 53...

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Michael Sam going public might cost him a chance in this league, because he would otherwise definitely be good enough to play for somebody.

What he has done might seem like attention seeking to some, but he has got the ball rolling towards sexual orientation not mattering at some point in the future, and he'll be remembered for that.

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If its this much controversy over singning a 7th rounder who was cut, then i dont think its worth it. he would only get lie 10 snaps if that and dosnt play ST

/Case closed

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Michael Sam going public might cost him a chance in this league, because he would otherwise definitely be good enough to play for somebody.

So having an NFL team invest a draft pick in you, inviting you to come to their training camp and giving you the opportunity to play a considerable amount of snaps in preseason, lasting all the way up to final cuts just as has happened to thousands of other star college players and draft picks is not considered being given a chance?

You further state, unequivocally, that if he wasn't gay, he otherwise would play for some team. In other words the ONLY reason in your mind he might not make it in the NFL is because he is gay. Wow, just wow. Reedy looked good in preseason but got cut, is it because he is gay too?

I'm sure there are literally hundreds of thousands of past college stars who who disagree with you that never got drafted or even invited to a camp, or did get invited as UDFA or late round draft but never got a chance to play much in a preseason game and got cut. I'm sure they would feel he did get a golden opportunity they never got.

To some people here, anything less than Sam being given a starting position on a team will be viewed as "he never got a legitimate shot because he's gay". In some peoples minds, anything that happens to this player will be about him being gay. Not getting playing time? Because he's gay. On inactive for the game? it's because he's gay. Fans criticizing him for not playing special teams or not playing well? Naturally, it's because they hate gays. 7th round pick who made a few plays in preseason doesn't make the team, only possible reason is he's gay. *SMH*

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If the falcons picked up Sam, do you think he would walk in to the locker room and give new meaning to Rise Up.

God I hate that slogan and every time I see Sam.Jax and the choir singing Rise Up, I think - " this would make a perfect Viagra commercial " mellow.png
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So having an NFL team invest a draft pick in you, inviting you to come to their training camp and giving you the opportunity to play a considerable amount of snaps in preseason, lasting all the way up to final cuts just as has happened to thousands of other star college players and draft picks is not considered being given a chance?

You further state, unequivocally, that if he wasn't gay, he otherwise would play for some team. In other words the ONLY reason in your mind he might not make it in the NFL is because he is gay. Wow, just wow. Reedy looked good in preseason but got cut, is it because he is gay too?

I'm sure there are literally hundreds of thousands of past college stars who who disagree with you that never got drafted or even invited to a camp, or did get invited as UDFA or late round draft but never got a chance to play much in a preseason game and got cut. I'm sure they would feel he did get a golden opportunity they never got.

To some people here, anything less than Sam being given a starting position on a team will be viewed as "he never got a legitimate shot because he's gay". In some peoples minds, anything that happens to this player will be about him being gay. Not getting playing time? Because he's gay. On inactive for the game? it's because he's gay. Fans criticizing him for not playing special teams or not playing well? Naturally, it's because they hate gays. 7th round pick who made a few plays in preseason doesn't make the team, only possible reason is he's gay. *SMH*

Gazoo you are so funny. You are the one constantly harping on the fact that it is a bad idea to add Sam because he would be a circus, and now you want to dispute that as a reason that a team won't add him.

What in the h*ll is wrong with you?

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Obviously the Rams are loaded at DE, and Sam was a safe draft pick for them because he played college ball in state, but he is better than a lot of guys that are on rosters right now.

*cough*Starr Stupar Konz Biermann *cough*

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What is interesting about Sam's situation is that he was one only nine players to record 3+ sacks this preseason. The other 8 all made their teams.

Sam ran into a numbers crunch with the Rams, who already had 8 linemen they intended to keep. There was a two-person battle for the final spot. The other player happened to be Ethan Westbrooks, who has been the best overall DE this preseason by PFF stats. Had some other team spent a 7th rounder on Westbrooks, something that should have happened based on his play thus far, Sam would have earned a roster spot on the best d-line in football.

The fact that no team claimed him is indicative of how much they fear the ESPN Factor. In terms of preseason play, Sam was the #44 end in the NFL. Based on his play to date, he should be on a roster. He earned that on the field.

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Gazoo you are so funny. You are the one constantly harping on the fact that it is a bad idea to add Sam because he would be a circus, and now you want to dispute that as a reason that a team won't add him.

What in the h*ll is wrong with you?

It's very simple, Sam being gay is not why a team would not sign him. In case you weren't paying attention, Sam was openly gay and still got drafted.

If Clowney was openly gay, do you really believe he'd not be on an NFL team right now just because he was gay?

Being gay is not the problem, I doubt more than a tiny insignificant fraction of any fanbase could care a less what his sexual preference is.

You keep claiming Sam is better than all these other players implying it's only because he is gay that he is not on a team. You don't even consider his skills vs what teams are looking for, where he would fit etc, in your mind it's 100% that he is a gay man.

I know your heart is in the right place and I respect that. However, I gotta tell you that Sam is not part of the circus as you suggested above, fans who go completely overboard making everything about SAMs gayness and impugning the motives of anyone who doesn't see it exactly the way they do ( ie he's better than other players and therefore it's because he gay he's not playing, didn't have a fair chance because he's gay) are definitely part of the circus though.

These kind of extreme, absolute and misguided views are absolutely part of the circus; others get tired of being called homophobic simply for having a different opinion and just want to treat him like they would any other player. That will not be allowed by the staunch defenders of gay and the PC police, the media will fan the flames, that's the circus.

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It's very simple, Sam being gay is not why a team would not sign him. In case you weren't paying attention, Sam was openly gay and still got drafted.

If Clowney was openly gay, I guaranty you 100% he'd be on an NFL team right now.

Being gay is not the problem, I doubt more than a tiny insignificant fraction of any fanbase could care a less what his sexual preference is.

You keep claiming Sam is better than all these other players implying it's only because he is gay that he is not on a team. You don't even consider his skills vs what teams are looking for, where he would fit etc, in your mind it's 100% that he is a gay man.

I know your heart is in the right place and I respect that. However, I gotta tell you that Sam is not part of the circus as you suggested above, fans who go completely overboard making everything about SAMs gayness and impugning the motives of anyone who doesn't see it exactly the way they do ( ie he's better than other players and therefore it's because he gay he's not playing, didn't have a fair chance because he's gay) are definitely part of the circus though.

These kind of extreme and misguided views are absolutely part of the circus; others get tired of being called homophobic simply for having a different opinion and just want to treat him like they would any other player. That will not be allowed by the staunch defenders of gay and the PC police, the media will fan the flames, that's the circus.

I agree with you gazoo. Sam got guy because he's not versatile. He doesn't do special teams he doesn't play any other positions. Poor in coverage. He hindered himself. Not his sexual preference. I don't see in sam what some guys do. He's stiff to me and gets washed out a lot. We have that already on the team. Why rotate one out for the same thing. Keep the guy that is at least familiar with the play book currently. Plus we have our own guys that I'd rather develop on PS than bringing in Sam. Has nothing to do with his preference. I just think we had a lot of competitiveness in our own camp. Can't sign everybody tho.

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*cough*Starr Stupar Konz Biermann *cough*

Really? You can really say with a straight face Sam is better than Kroy? He's not better than Starr, not yet. Saying Kroy makes it laughable. I hope you were joking because i'm honestly not sure i can take anything you say seriously anymore.
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Really? You can really say with a straight face Sam is better than Kroy? He's not better than Starr, not yet. Saying Kroy makes it laughable. I hope you were joking because i'm honestly not sure i can take anything you say seriously anymore.

Its all about the story these days, that includes Starr.

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Its all about the story these days, that includes Starr.

Starr has looked better in preseason this year, not that that's saying much. Starr was impressive without results and Sam was unimpressive with misleadingly decent stats. I wouldn't swap them for the simple fact at least Starr plays ST and knows our team.

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Starr has looked better in preseason this year, not that that's saying much. Starr was impressive without results and Sam was unimpressive with misleadingly decent stats. I wouldn't swap them for the simple fact at least Starr plays ST and knows our team.

I'm just saying. He's a seventh rounder and gets more convo than Hageman and Shembo...who are both better.

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I think it's really sad if he doesn't get picked up. No way you're going to tell me based on his college career and what he did in preseason that he's not better than a multitude of guys on 53 man rosters and practice squads right now.

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Starr has looked better in preseason this year, not that that's saying much. Starr was impressive without results and Sam was unimpressive with misleadingly decent stats. I wouldn't swap them for the simple fact at least Starr plays ST and knows our team.

Not even trying to clown, I just don't see that at all. I'm still a bit stunned he made the roster but I understand that the staff might really like him and how hard he's worked.

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I'm just saying. He's a seventh rounder and gets more convo than Hageman and Shembo...who are both better.

Yeah i know. It was bad enough pre-draft, i was kind of hoping it would die off once he either made a team or got cut. Either way was being too optimistic i guess.

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Not even trying to clown, I just don't see that at all. I'm still a bit stunned he made the roster but I understand that the staff might really like him and how hard he's worked.

Starr beat 1v1's but couldn't finish, Sam beat 0v1's and did finish... i dunno. Starr is good on ST's and Sam isn't, that's what makes the decision. Starr looks better in run defense and pass coverage (Sam doesn't do the latter at all). Sam may or may not be better in passrushing, hard to know. Sam got a few gimmy sacks to spike his numbers, Starr has looked good but without anything to show for it except the coaches approval i guess.

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Starr beat 1v1's but couldn't finish, Sam beat 0v1's and did finish... i dunno. Starr is good on ST's and Sam isn't, that's what makes the decision. Starr looks better in run defense and pass coverage (Sam doesn't do the latter at all). Sam may or may not be better in passrushing, hard to know. Sam got a few gimmy sacks to spike his numbers, Starr has looked good but without anything to show for it except the coaches approval i guess.

I read an article in a different thread that said Starr had the measurables to be something special. This could be true, it could be a bunch of BS. If it's true and the coaching staff sees him as someone to be molded.... He could be hear for a while.

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