Tuggle'2 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Competing for second string. That's the OP's point.This isn't about OPs point. This is about some childish notion that any franchise QB in the league actually competes for their job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 First, I need you to clarify who you are proclaiming to be "one of the better quarterbacks in the league".Matt Ryan. Are you really that slow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Are you trying to say Matt Flynn is a franchise QB?He sure as he11 isn't now. Is he?The problem is that "Franchise Quarterback" is a completely arbitrary term. It's application has nothing to do with whether or not a guy is any good. Remember, he did not say elite quarterback.Example. When the Raiders drafted and signed Jamarcus Russell, by definition, he became their "Franchise Quarterback". He wasn't worth a flip, but he was their "Franchise Quarterback".So the problem here is not Matt Flynn. The problem is the arbitrary statement.Nevertheless, this example does serve as further proof that we should follow the Seahawks example. They saw that they miscalculated. Instead of sticking with him and propping him up like we do with Matt Ryan, they cut bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Who me?No... lolFlynn was a backup done good who was sent to Seattle and lost the starting job. Can't be a franchise QB if you were never the starter to begin with.Ok just checking. Cause I was about to toss this laptop out the window and never come back here again.....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rounz Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Matt Ryan. Are you really that slow?Be careful. He understands QED, but doesn't understand context Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ok just checking. Cause I was about to toss this laptop out the window and never come back here again.....lolYeah, don't hurt your laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 He sure as he11 isn't now. Is he?The problem is that "Franchise Quarterback" is a completely arbitrary term. It's application has nothing to do with whether or not a guy is any good. Remember, he did not say elite quarterback.Example. When the Raiders drafted and signed Jamarcus Russell, by definition, he became their "Franchise Quarterback". He wasn't worth a flip, but he was their "Franchise Quarterback".So the problem here is not Matt Flynn. The problem is the arbitrary statement.Nevertheless, this example does serve as further proof that we should follow the Seahawks example. They saw that they miscalculated. Instead of sticking with him and propping him up like we do with Matt Ryan, they cut bait.Just shut up. You are a fool with a fool's agenda. Not worth the time or effort to formulate a response. Matt Ryan is clearly one of the better QBs in the NFL, to all the folks that matter. You don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBF54 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 If you have a #2 franchise QB then you don't have a #1........... Does not happen in this league........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Yeah, don't hurt your laptop. I expect some ridiculous stuff from other posters, but when those statements come from a guy who is usually fairly sane and make quality posts, it's time to go....lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Matt Ryan. Are you really that slow?Ok. Slow your roll bro.When you say one of the better qb's, I think you should tell me exactly where you are ranking him. Then we can have a better idea of where each other is coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 If you have a #2 franchise QB then you don't have a #1........... Does not happen in this league........San Francisco 49ers...Joe Montanna & Steve Young.Q.E.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Ok. Slow your roll bro.When you say one of the better qb's, I think you should tell me exactly where you are ranking him. Then we can have a better idea of where each other is coming from.That's semantics man. He's in the upper echelon. Period. Exactly where is preference based. But he is undoubtedly in the top half. And most likely Top 10 Edited June 22, 2014 by MD-FalconFan13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 San Francisco 49ers...Joe Montanna & Steve Young.Q.E.D.How is someone a Franchise QB and they don't start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBF54 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 San Francisco 49ers...Joe Montanna & Steve Young.Q.E.D.Rogers as well but they had to wait and learn......... Get with the program will ya........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Door Gunner Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Well if Yates can't get DJ to give up #13 I hope he takes #7. He11 I would even consider buying a Yates Jersey if he takes #7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 What's not to understand? Ryan won 14 games two years ago and lost a close NFCCG. Instead of rewarding the most accomplished QB in team history with a market-value contract, TD should have known that he was only going to win four games last year and cut him for his undrafted, untested backup. That could have saved us a lot of money and resulted in TD being laughed out of the league for being the biggest, stoopidest, azzhat in the profession. It's not complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 That's semantics man. He's in the upper echelon. Period. Exactly where is preference based. But he is undoubtedly in the top half. And most likely Top 10You guys jump from one arbitrary term to the next. That should tell you something. You are being intentionally vague. Secondly, when you classify a person as being in the "top-half" of ANYTHING...You're calling him average.In that case I would agree. Matt Ryan is average.Average quarterbacks don't deserve $20 mil per year. Average quarterbacks should not be above reproach or competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) How is someone a Franchise QB and they don't start?Because only one can play at a time.Q.E.D. Edited June 23, 2014 by LotsaPoppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 This isn't about OPs point. This is about some childish notion that any franchise QB in the league actually competes for their job.Nick Foles."There's always competition," said the Eagles head coach. "I think you can ask Nick that, too. I don't think Nick's going to think, 'I can go out and throw 12 interceptions in a row - which he'll never do - but I'm your guy.' "http://articles.philly.com/2014-01-08/sports/45958892_1_chip-kelly-foles-foles-next-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Who me?No... lolFlynn was a backup done good who was sent to Seattle and lost the starting job. Can't be a franchise QB if you were never the starter to begin with.You should do a better job of stating your position Tuggle. When you say Flynn "lost the starting job" and then go on to say, "Can't be a franchise QB if you were never the starter...". It makes it easy for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Because only one can play at a time.Q.E.D.Then they both aren't the Franchise QBs. One is, one will be. Both are not it simultaneously. Closes thing I've seen is Kaepernick and Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Rogers as well but they had to wait and learn......... Get with the program will ya........Moot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 You guys jump from one arbitrary term to the next. That should tell you something. You are being intentionally vague.Secondly, when you classify a person as being in the "top-half" of ANYTHING...You're calling him average.In that case I would agree. Matt Ryan is average.Average quarterbacks don't deserve $20 mil per year. Average quarterbacks should not be above reproach or competition.Arbitrary term? Why do we even go through this exercise? I'll say he's Top 10, you'll disagree. I'll pull his Top 10 stats, you'll mention playoff wins. And the carousel goes around and around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotsaPoppa Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 If you have a #2 franchise QB then you don't have a #1........... Does not happen in this league........Then they both aren't the Franchise QBs. One is, one will be. Both are not it simultaneously. Closes thing I've seen is Kaepernick and Smith.Yall pick which one you want me to debunk.I'm not gonna prove right is up for one of you then turn around and prove right is down for the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yall pick which one you want me to debunk.I'm not gonna prove right is up for one of you then turn around and prove right is down for the other.How about you try debunking anything instead of sounding stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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