XXVIII-III Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hey, you didn't say "snarky" or "smarmy" anywhere. You're fired!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG ZEKE Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yeah and they are out of their GOT **** Minds if they think someone is going to go for that!!! I would give them a 1st20143rd 2141st2014And that is ALL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hoping it goes like this: 1. Hou-Bortles2. Stl-Robinson or Matthews or Watkins 3. Atl-Clowney via trade with Jax4. Cle-Johnny Football5. Oak-Mack6. Jax-Robinson or Matthews or Watkins plus their picks from us and their remaining picks to fill other areas.I would rather trade up to 2. Rams draft slot of 13th. We could swap picks to make up for value. So we could trade 1st, 4th, and next year 2nd, then swap 2nd round and/or 3rd round to make up the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Because despite your opinion of Clowney, he's got the talent to be worth it. It's tougher to find an impact pass rusher, than a good Tackle.I didn't miss our pick in 2012, because Julio was worth it. I do wish TD had done a better job with his other picks.If Clowney comes close to his potential, he's worth it.Clowney may be worth moving up 5 spots from 6th AND giving up an almost 1st round 2nd round pick AND a 1st round player from next year AND another 4th round player, but HE IS NOT. No one is. Julio wasn't worth it (and we moved all the way from the back to the front). I'm glad we have him, but you can only do those kinds of trades once every decade. We need to stay at 6 and select a high quality player and another high quality player in the early second and then next year another high quality player in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffFalcohol Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 We do have 2 third round picks this year. I say a 1,3 and 4th. That would be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hey, you didn't say "snarky" or "smarmy" anywhere. You're fired!!!At least you were snarky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFalcons Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hey, you didn't say "snarky" or "smarmy" anywhere. You're fired!!!that was snarky.....I'll give it a 7.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSAInYourUnderwear Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Perhaps Houston is targeting someone other than the "top 3" QBs who they have rated higher than the consensus.If they believe that any or all of those 3 are franchise guys they may be gone by 6 if they trade down.TD knows they need a QB obviously he can tell based on negotiations if they really want to take them at 1 or if they want to move down.As for compensation to swap the 6th and 1st for pick I'm not certain what that would be.A future 1st might do it but the Texans may feel they need to get something tangible now to justify moving out of that slot. A future 1st and a 3rd this year might be the most I'd think would be worth it. Or possibly a 2nd this year and next year, which might be most appealing to them. It would be a significant price to pay but not something absurd like the RG3 trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 We do have 2 third round picks this year. I say a 1,3 and 4th. That would be okNo sir lol. We have two 4ths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckinnon91 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFalcons Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Perhaps Houston is targeting someone other than the "top 3" QBs who they have rated higher than the consensus.If they believe that any or all of those 3 are franchise guys they may be gone by 6 if they trade down.TD knows they need a QB obviously he can tell based on negotiations if they really want to take them at 1 or if they want to move down.As for compensation to swap the 6th and 1st for pick I'm not certain what that would be.A future 1st might do it but the Texans may feel they need to get something tangible now to justify moving out of that slot. A future 1st and a 3rd this year might be the most I'd think would be worth it. Or possibly a 2nd this year and next year, which might be most appealing to them. It would be a significant price to pay but not something absurd like the RG3 trade.Well, the thing is,the Texans don't have to get close to trade value chart compensation to really come out like bandits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red2play Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Clowney doesn't fit the Texans 3-4 scheme. Just let them take Clowney and laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Clowney may be worth moving up 5 spots from 6th AND giving up an almost 1st round 2nd round pick AND a 1st round player from next year AND another 4th round player, but HE IS NOT. No one is. Julio wasn't worth it (and we moved all the way from the back to the front). I'm glad we have him, but you can only do those kinds of trades once every decade. We need to stay at 6 and select a high quality player and another high quality player in the early second and then next year another high quality player in the 1st round.I agree he's not worth losing our 2nd round, but he's absolutely worth a 2015 1st, and a 2014 4th.But that's most I'd give up for him.The lack of picks from the Julio Jones trade isn't why we were 4-12. It's the misses like Konz, Ewing, the attempts to get cute by grabbing project players like Holmes, or low upside team captains way too early that sunk us.We've had enough picks to field a great team, we just need to quit whiffing on the picks we do have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 If Clowney falls to 3 I think JAX just takes him. They need a premier pass rusher, and big name for that franchise.My guess:1- HOU - Manziel2- STL - Matthews3- JAX - Clowney4- ATL - Mack (3rd round pick to move up. worried OAK may take him)5- OAK - Robinson (wants ball control offense to hide Schaub. totally effed up LT in UFA)6- CLE - Watkins (will give them a bit more ammo to move up from 26 to teens to get Carr) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFalcons Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Clowney doesn't fit the Texans 3-4 scheme. Just let them take Clowney and laugh.I'd take Mack #1 overall before I took Bortles....by a long shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSAInYourUnderwear Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Clowney doesn't fit the Texans 3-4 scheme. Just let them take Clowney and laugh.Defenses are in 5 DB personnel more than "base" 3-4 or 4-3 today. Any "3-4" team can line up with their OLBs as defensive ends on a 4 man line in the nickel.And I don't see any reason why Clowney would be unable to rush the passer as an OLB, it seems to work out fine for other DEs like Demarcus Ware.People might say he needs to cover but if you have 3 down linemen rushing and Clowney as the 4th from the LB spot that's just as many rushers as a 4 man line, same amount of people left on the back end to cover. Any offense that sees Clowney dropping back in coverage instead of raping their QB is laughing and saying do it again, you line him up and tell him go get the football, no matter what scheme you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Texans are in a spot where they can get both Clowney and Bridewater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFalcons Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Defenses are in 5 DB personnel more than "base" 3-4 or 4-3 today. Any "3-4" team can line up with their OLBs as defensive ends on a 4 man line in the nickel.And I don't see any reason why Clowney would be unable to rush the passer as an OLB, it seems to work out fine for other DEs like Demarcus Ware.People might say he needs to cover but if you have 3 down linemen rushing and Clowney as the 4th from the LB spot that's just as many rushers as a 4 man line, same amount of people left on the back end to cover.Any offense that sees Clowney dropping back in coverage instead of raping their QB is laughing and saying do it again, you line him up and tell him go get the football, no matter what scheme you play.Wow.....you make sense....I don't think you belong here..........was that snarky....yeah, I'll give myself a 7.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Bridewater? Sounds like something kinky on a wedding night.Bridgewater* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiccolas Cage Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 If they are expecting two firsts, a second, and a fourth then I just say screw that. As much as I want Clowney, I still want other playmakers on this team too. I think two firsts and a third is about as high as I would go on a deal like this. Maybe work-in a later round pick (somewhere after the fourth or fifth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSAInYourUnderwear Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Well, the thing is,the Texans don't have to get close to trade value chart compensation to really come out like bandits.Who cares about a chart a pick is only worth what someone is willing to give up for in exchange with it, which is determined by how good the player is expected to be, how many similiar players are available, how badly someone needs them, and how many different parties are interested.The Rams scooped all the Skins picks because they had either RG3 or Luck for sale, both considered elite franchise QB prospects, the Skins had Rex Grossman as their QB hahahahahaha, and another team (Was it the Browns?) wanted to trade up and complained of "favoritism" or some BS like that when they couldn't make the deal.I'm not aware of any other teams trying to get to 1 or 2 to take Clowney, there is no franchise QB available for them, Clowney has the 1 season of poor statistical production (the only reason we can get him) and at 6 it's not like the team is incapable of finding another pass rusher and forced to give the Texans whatever they want.With an ability to stay put TD is in the proper position to leverage negotiations and say "we both want to exchange picks" instead of "we need your pick".If the Texans think someone other than the "top 3" is a prospect that they can win now with then the smart thing to do would be to take Clowney or whoever they have rated highest and wait for a QB to fall to their 2nd pick or move up from there. Hopefully this is not the case.If the Texans want to go in a different direction than Clowney then they would want to get out of the 1st pick and actually get something for doing so, instead of passing on him to take a QB that a year or 2 from now could look like a Tyson Jackson type need reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSAInYourUnderwear Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) TD is probably telling Houston/St Louis/Jacksonville that he has Clowney/Robinson maybe even Mack as having the same grade (Like Luck and RG3) and saying to Houston "If you don't want my help to get out of the top pick (by asking too much) St Louis wants to be paid picks to move out of theirs".Instead of the person ransoming the pick pitting bidders against each other, TD can pit the sellers of picks belonging to QB needy teams with no clear franchise QB available against each other.No GM wants to be the one to pass great players to take a bust QB as the first QB in the draft, their self preservation instinct will tell them to take a pick or picks to move out of the spotlight.If TD tells Houston he has 2 prospects he's after, they can't hold him over a barrel unless they knew St Louis would collude with them to represent their interests (which they obviously will not). Something like the old "prisoner's dillema" Edited May 1, 2014 by NSAInYourUnderwear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 They want to trade down. They want our pick. Because they can get one of the three top QBs there without paying the number one overall price.Sounds like an even swap....LOL...they'd be crazy to not select the best pass rusher in the draft to go along with that "Beast" that they currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Falcon Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yeah okay...I'll give them clowney and live with a franchise OT at #6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXVIII-III Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 that was snarky.....I'll give it a 7.5Yay, I made the Snarky Scale! Woo Hoo! Although I do prefer smarmy myself, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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