Top Flight Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 You hate winning 11-14 games and being in the playoffs every year?#kisstheringsLook at your division, enough said. And it's been a decade since your almighty QB has won. Hmmmmm I wonder why..Go troll a Bills, Jets or Phins board. **** even a Broncos board. What are you doing in the South? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Obviously the Falcons are interested in Clowney, but that doesn't mean they are looking to trade up.It is not likely that Clowney will be there at 6, but it is certainly possible. There are three QB needy teams in front of the Falcons, and Mack is seen as the "safer" pick than Clowney by many. Throw in Watkins and the OTs that everyone seems to be in love with, and it all adds up to a scenario where it is possible that Clowney will be there at 6.So the Falcons have to do their due diligence on him so that they have an opinion on him being a good pick at 6.Because if the guy gets his bonus and then emotionally checks out like a lot of people think he will, he won't even be a good pick at 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So lets put this in perspective. Say if the Falcons trade the #6, #37, #147 and next seasons 1st rd pk to the Texans for the #1 pk.1st rd, pk #1 - Jadeveon Clowney - DE, South Carolina3rd rd, pk #68 - Deone Bucannon - FS, Washington State4th rd, pk #103 - JuWuan James - OT, Tennessee4th rd, comp #139 - Jordan Tripp - OLB, Montana6th rd, pk #182 - Jerick McKinnon - RB, Georgia Southern7th rd, pk #220 - Charles Leno - OG/OT, Boise State7th rd, comp #253 - J.C. Copeland - FB, LSU7th rd, comp #255 - Zach Kerr - DT, DelawareI think this would be fine, but I don't think its likely to happen this way. I don't think James is going to be on the board in the 4th round. I dont think Kerr is going to be there in the 7th and even if he is, he's a developmental guy IMO.IDK.....jumping 5 spots costs us more than it did to jump 20.....thats rough stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 i know your being smart but i like Mass... I think he can be a good rusher ... I just think Clowney can be a superstar... But im a Mass guyI think it's a win-win. Mass continues to develop this year if we get Clowney, then next year when Osi is more expendable, we can let him ride off into the sunset with two young stars coming off of the edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 There is 0.2 chance Clowney is there at 6Doesn't change his point- have to know if he is a good pick at 6. Also have to know if it's worth trading up to 3 or 4 if he drops that far.They may also have a much better idea what the teams in front of them are thinking than we do. They may have a really good idea that 3 QBs ARE going in the 1st 5 picks and that Mack, GRob, Matthews or Clowney WILL be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Doesn't change his point- have to know if he is a good pick at 6. Also have to know if it's worth trading up to 3 or 4 if he drops that far.They may also have a much better idea what the teams in front of them are thinking than we do. They may have a really good idea that 3 QBs ARE going in the 1st 5 picks and that Mack, GRob, Matthews or Clowney WILL be available.I think if you could somehow ensure that at least two QBs and Watkins was going before your pick at 6, it would be a huge mistake to trade up. Maybe even only if you KNEW one QB and Watkins were going. Where you get into "good idea" territory is when you think no QB goes in the Top 5 and the Top 4 players are taken. Then things get a little dicey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I think if you could somehow ensure that at least two QBs and Watkins was going before your pick at 6, it would be a huge mistake to trade up. Maybe even only if you KNEW one QB and Watkins were going. Where you get into "good idea" territory is when you think no QB goes in the Top 5 and the Top 4 players are taken. Then things get a little dicey.Yeah, but even if the top 4 and Watkins are taken, somebody should be willing to trade up for one of the QBs- say Minn @ 8- be great to move back 2 spots and pick up another high pick in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Yeah, but even if the top 4 and Watkins are taken, somebody should be willing to trade up for one of the QBs- say Minn @ 8- be great to move back 2 spots and pick up another high pick in this draft.It would depend on how they evaluate the QBs. If they're high on Carr, they would probably let it ride. If they have guys rated closely together, they would probably let it ride. Its really only if they felt their guy was significantly better than the other QBs and they felt TB was going to take their guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Falcons are not dissecting Clowney as if he was going to drop and they are doing there due dilliengence . The Falcons are examining him as they are going to trade up for him and see if he is worth and want there coaches to give there opinionThere is little to no chance Clowny drops to 6And, once again, doesn't change his point- want to be ready for all possibilities. Doubt he makes it to 6 myself, but he could. He could also make it to 3-4, which is a much easier trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culain_04 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 One thing not being brought up is the Cox-Clowney pairing if we do get Clowney. That would be scary in my opinion.But I think between Holmes, Schraeder and Johnson, we have a RT. I've been saying, I would not be surprised if we don't go OT at all if we don't at #6.Also, Kincade is stupid. We didn't have a lot of holes when healthy. If we keep our 2nd and don't give up our 1st next year, I'm fine with whatever the price is. I'm all for Clowney-Ward 2014.I would offer the Texans our 1st (2014), 1st (2015), 3rd(2016), keeping this years draft in tact.If the Texans wanted Clowney they would already be in negotiations with his agent.Make the offer, if they want more then let them stay at 1 and draft a player they don't need, or reach on the player they want.1. J. Clowney2. J. Ward3. J. James4. A. Williams4. C. Jones5. FB/TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 .....I know what Peyton point is I just made a statement Clowney will not be there at 6It doesn't matter if it's a remote possibility, it IS a possibility and therefore needs to be accounted for.Think it's much more likely they are looking to trade down to 2-3-4 for Clowney than one. Compensation drops dramatically and becomes much more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeLittleBirds Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I´d recomend to TD to watch last year tape. With that OL we are not going to make the playoffs.The playoffs aren't an option this year anyway I don't think. The schedule strength is real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 why not? Tru got Deion's numberThey play the same position and Deion blessed it. I don't want to see a defensive end wearing #57. That will just look stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The playoffs aren't an option this year anyway I don't think. The schedule strength is realEveryone in the NFC is facing the same type of schedule we are. Unless you're the Patriots or the Colts, you're facing a schedule that could end up being difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeLittleBirds Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Everyone in the NFC is facing the same type of schedule we are. Unless you're the Patriots or the Colts, you're facing a schedule that could end up being difficult.The north divisions in both conferences have the most playoff wins combined in the last fifteen years over every other division in the NFL. You tell me how there is even a slight possibility that this schedule ends up being easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doveboss26 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Falcons will never win a Super Bowl with this strategy, all this trading up is killing you depth and is why your o-line stinks.It's hard to believe Dimitroff came from the Patriots, his strategy is nothing like the Patriot way.Too much going for 1 elite player over 4 good ones if you just stay put and pick, selling the farm for Clowney is ********.Right, but what has trading back and acquiring all those picks done for the Patriots? Get them close to the Super Bowl and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 They play the same position and Deion blessed it. I don't want to see a defensive end wearing #57. That will just look stupid.ehh it's just a number. No more stupid than a DE wearing 69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ehh it's just a number. No more stupid than a DE wearing 69I think Jared Allen wearing #69 looks stupid. A defensive end should be wearing a number in the 90s. It just looks better. The only expections I make to that are #55 and #75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The north divisions in both conferences have the most playoff wins combined in the last fifteen years over every other division in the NFL. You tell me how there is even a slight possibility that this schedule ends up being easyPanther's O collapses because they can't afford to pay any decent FAs, TAM doesn't have a QB and their D gets worn down, the 7-6 record in NO's last 13 games is a true indicator of their talent, not having Aldon Smith really hurts SF, CK never recovers from 3 TOs in the 4th quarter of the NFCCG, SEA suffers from a typical super bowl hangover and misses the players they let go more than they thought.Vikings, Giants, Lions, Browns are hardly a murderer's row, Steelers and Ravens were 500 clubs last year for a reason.Hows that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfarmer1980 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 all this trading up is killing you depth and is why your o-line stinks.This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeLittleBirds Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Panther's O collapses because they can't afford to pay any decent FAs, TAM doesn't have a QB and their D gets worn down, the 7-6 record in NO's last 13 games is a true indicator of their talent, not having Aldon Smith really hurts SF, CK never recovers from 3 TOs in the 4th quarter of the NFCCG, SEA suffers from a typical super bowl hangover and misses the players they let go more than they thought.Vikings, Giants, Lions, Browns are hardly a murderer's row, Steelers and Ravens were 500 clubs last year for a reason.Hows that?Soooo many reaches in this post I don't eve know where to begin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The north divisions in both conferences have the most playoff wins combined in the last fifteen years over every other division in the NFL. You tell me how there is even a slight possibility that this schedule ends up being easyWhy do I care about the last fifteen years?Where did I say the schedule would end up easy? The NFC is incredibly well balanced. You can build a reasonable case for every team in the conference to make a playoff run. All of those teams have to play each other. The two teams that are the best in the conference have to contend with two other tough defensive football teams that could improve greatly in the draft. The NFC is dangerous ground for every team in the NFC.As for the AFC thing....its very draft dependent. If Cleveland drafts Bridgewater, they're probably a tough out. If they dont? I'm not scared. I'm not scared of Pittsburgh. I'm not terribly scared of Baltimore. Cincinnati is a tough team that could give us issues but they've got their problem areas too.Except for the AFC South and a couple random teams (the Raiders) I think the league is really well balanced. And you see this every single year when people freak out about SoS in April and then things end up being completely different. There's a reason the playoff field turns over ~50% every year. Because the league is a very even place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I think Jared Allen wearing #69 looks stupid. A defensive end should be wearing a number in the 90s. It just looks better. The only expections I make to that are #55 and #75.I wish the NFL would let all players where whatever number they want. Let Clowney wear number 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeLittleBirds Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Why do I care about the last fifteen years?I would say its a pretty good indicator of the franchise in general and what will happen in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Soooo many reaches in this post I don't eve know where to beginEvery team is 2-3 injuries, 4-5 at most, from drafting in the top 10.Have you looked at what Carolina has for an Oline right now? Or WRs? or secondary for that matter- one h#ll of a front 7, but if they don't get to the QB, any good one will eat that secondary alive.TAM doesn't have a QB that scares you right now, unless you're a TAM fan.Tell my why NO went 7-6 last 13 games?SEA can't have a super bowl slump?Couple of years ago, Smith went down and SF promptly allowed 59 points in 60 minutes of football.Ravens and Steelers were 500 last year.Way too early to worry about schedule right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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