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How do you expect the people to understand the law when the ones who wrote it are equally confused? We have healthcare/finance experts combing through the thing that still can't tell us what to expect. This is one of those laws that we will have to just see what happens as time goes by...

Obamacare 2,700 pages of confusion on purpose!

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I'm not disagreeing about PR being bad, but it doesn't help when hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent by groups aligned on the right (including the GOP itself) that tell flat out lies about this law. When you've got opposition groups with a budget hundreds of times larger than yours that are intent on lying to people about the law, it's kind of hard to get your message out there.

It's even worse that what little PR money they had has been spent so poorly.

Link on the amount the GOP has spent on ads?

The Democrats have spent close to $700 million on their set of lies...

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Link on the amount the GOP has spent on ads?

The Democrats have spent close to $700 million on their set of lies...

President Obama promised Obamacare wouldn't add to the deficit or to the National Debt and promised it would only cost $900 billion.

For those who say Obamacare will simply collapse on its own, it won't. Big government programs don't disappear, they simply become worthless, inefficient black holes for taxpayer money, further proving a campaign for full repeal of the law is the only way to get the healthcare system back on track in addition to restoring the health of wallets belonging to American taxpayers.

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wink.png So we agree!

With all my nega-posting since October you'd be forgiven for forgetting that I had a wait-and-see attitude on this just before the rollout. I was disgusted with the rollout.

There are many things about this law that I dislike but I think the stat I linked earlier is telling - a mere 13% of the country supports full repeal. In other words the public, even the majority who are against the law as-is, see some value in aspects of it, as do I.

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With all my nega-posting since October you'd be forgiven for forgetting that I had a wait-and-see attitude on this just before the rollout. I was disgusted with the rollout.

There are many things about this law that I dislike but I think the stat I linked earlier is telling - a mere 13% of the country supports full repeal. In other words the public, even the majority who are against the law as-is, see some value in aspects of it, as do I.

And I think that's the most reasonable position on the law, myself. There are parts of the law that I disagree with (for different reasons, I'm sure), but there are good parts as well that people too often overlook. If we can improve the law then I'm all for that. I care more about good policy than I do with the rah rah rah on either side.

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And I think that's the most reasonable position on the law, myself. There are parts of the law that I disagree with (for different reasons, I'm sure), but there are good parts as well that people too often overlook. If we can improve the law then I'm all for that. I care more about good policy than I do with the rah rah rah on either side.

I'm putting this as my sig.

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Drunk, I'd make more sense than you.

The problem with this comment is that people can *see* your posts as well as mine.

To wit, even the statement to which I reply is ambiguous. Are you calling me a drunk? That's what your wording would imply even though that was not your intent. Coherent thought is a virtue you should attempt to acquire.

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I have done my best to ignore the PR and propaganda, opting to focus on the data and the facts of the law. It hasn't been pretty, at times, but reality is so different from spin.

I again state that Pete Dominick's show on Sirius/XM is a wonderful resource for ACA information, good and bad. Listening to the opponents and their concerns as well as the positives noted by proponents has aided me greatly in forming an opinion on the subject.

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And I think that's the most reasonable position on the law, myself.

I agree. It is absolutely in need of improvements as any dramatic law will be. Repealing it is throwing out the baby with the bath water. The basic tenets of the law are positive, and that should please conservatives since it was originally a Heritage Foundation initiative.

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Not sure if anyone has seen this website, but this guy has been very accurate in estimating the number of enrollments so far:

http://acasignups.net/

He puts the final estimate of private insurance enrollees at 6.58 million and the total number of people who got coverage since the law at 12-16 million. This includes people under 26 years old who are allowed to stay on their parents' health insurance.

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12-16 is pretty good when considering the repubs were telling us only 10 million were uninsured to begin with.

It's funny how the numbers change to fit their agenda. The reality is that there are about 45-48 million uninsured people. Even assuming the lowest estimate of 12 million who received health care because of the law (private insurance, Medicaid, and young people on parents' insurance), that still means that the law got insurance for about 25% of those people in only six months.

I don't think that's a terrible start.

Edit: Of course, this assumes that the people who received private insurance through the exchange were previously uninsured, and we know that's not the case. We'll have wait until the final numbers are released, but even if it's actually 12% of uninsured who got coverage in the first six months, that's still a decent start to the law.

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12-16 is pretty good when considering the repubs were telling us only 10 million were uninsured to begin with.

What was the average insurance signup numbers before?

The only way to know the real impact of Obamacare is to compare the difference, otherwise you're just taking credit for something people would normally do anyway.

-For example, since the baby boom generation is now entering retirement, it will push medicare signups dramatically.

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The problem with this comment is that people can *see* your posts as well as mine.

To wit, even the statement to which I reply is ambiguous. Are you calling me a drunk? That's what your wording would imply even though that was not your intent. Coherent thought is a virtue you should attempt to acquire.

Was this an attempt at some odd form of humor?

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It's funny how the numbers change to fit their agenda. The reality is that there are about 45-48 million uninsured people. Even assuming the lowest estimate of 12 million who received health care because of the law (private insurance, Medicaid, and young people on parents' insurance), that still means that the law got insurance for about 25% of those people in only six months.

I don't think that's a terrible start.

Edit: Of course, this assumes that the people who received private insurance through the exchange were previously uninsured, and we know that's not the case. We'll have wait until the final numbers are released, but even if it's actually 12% of uninsured who got coverage in the first six months, that's still a decent start to the law.

WFW has heard the numbers from the democrats as being around 45 million. So far they have 6 million signed up for private insurance but we do not really know out of that how many has paid (estimates are around 75%-80%) meaning that 1.5 million still do not have insurance, or how many previously had healthcare coverage out of that 6 million enrollment? WFW is not trying to pizz on your parade Ac because we need this thing to work for all people and not be an albatross around our economic necks.

If we can make this thing more affordable for all Americans and not just a few WFW is for it. If we can do this without it affecting jobs where hours are cut, jobs are lost, WFW is for it. If we can do this thing where patients care is not rationed or put on a waiting list, if you can still see the doctor of your choice, if there are not less doctor's and specialists in your network, then WFW is all for it. I am sure we can pull up links from both sides of the isle backing each other's claims, but we need to see some solid numbers and affidavits from what we have both mentioned above.

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WFW has heard the numbers from the democrats as being around 45 million. So far they have 6 million signed up for private insurance but we do not really know out of that how many has paid (estimates are around 75%-80%) meaning that 1.5 million still do not have insurance, or how many previously had healthcare coverage out of that 6 million enrollment? WFW is not trying to pizz on your parade Ac because we need this thing to work for all people and not be an albatross around our economic necks.

If we can make this thing more affordable for all Americans and not just a few WFW is for it. If we can do this without it affecting jobs where hours are cut, jobs are lost, WFW is for it. If we can do this thing where patients care is not rationed or put on a waiting list, if you can still see the doctor of your choice, if there are not less doctor's and specialists in your network, then WFW is all for it. I am sure we can pull up links from both sides of the isle backing each other's claims, but we need to see some solid numbers and affidavits from what we have both mentioned above.

Even with 4.5 million getting private insurance and another 4-5 million (low estimate) getting Medicaid, that's a pretty serious dent in the uninsured rate after only six months.

Also, affidavits? blink.png

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