Objective Critic Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I doubt the Falcons have him as a main priority anyway.I see the Falcons have these guys in the following order:ClowneyRobinsonMatthewsLewinMackAs great as Mack is as a player, they need to protect 100 mill Matty. If he goes down this team is f*cked. No way they are going to leave the offensive line in this state. Ryan still doesn't have a true LT and we know Baker is injury prone.The only reason Clowney is 1 is because he is a physical freak who may be too hard to pass up, but beyond that I see them going for a LT. Edited March 14, 2014 by Objective Critic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 While I understand the need for an OT I think the defensive needs are slightly greater at this point.Since it's most likely only one of those guys is going to be sitting there at #6 we just need to take the one that is still there on the board.If ALL those guys are gone then the people that told me how important the wins against the Skins and Bills were can kiss my ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Objective Critic Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) While I understand the need for an OT I think the defensive needs are slightly greater at this point.Since it's most likely only one of those guys is going to be sitting there at #6 we just need to take the one that is still there on the board.If ALL those guys are gone then the people that told me how important the wins against the Skins and Bills were can kiss my ***.How is defense more important? I could understand if this team had a great run game and worrying about Tackles would be less of a priority, but this team doesn't have that. The fact is the whole offense is centered around Ryan. Without a run game, if Ryan fails, the ship is sunk. If the Falcons cannot consistently move the ball then the defense will be gasping for air the 2nd half.Mack cannot help that. Plus you had Beerman out last season which took away much needed QB pressure. The fact is the defense is decent IF the offense give them time to breath by letting them rest. The constant 2nd half breakdowns were due to defense being exhausted. Too many 3 and outs.Lets say the Falcons get Mack, how great will Mack be the 2nd half of each game running on fumes because the offense keeps leaving the field? Edited March 14, 2014 by Objective Critic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Imo we're having a three way competition @ rt w/ holmes johnson and carimi, were bring in an lt like zack martin in the second maybe to backup baker. No way you pass on a talent like mack in the first and he will assuredly fall to us. Jax, and Cleveland will sure fire take a qb in the first w/ johhny football and bridgewater available. The only wild card is bortles, where will he go?Its starting to look for sure that mack and clowney will fall, st louis and raiders are taking Watkins and Greg Robinson. You can quote me on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Objective Critic Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Imo we're having a three way competition @ rt w/ holmes johnson and carimi, were bring in an lt like zack martin in the second maybe to backup baker. No way you pass on a talent like mack in the first and he will assuredly fall to us. Jax, and Cleveland will sure fire take a qb in the first w/ johhny football and bridgewater available. The only wild card is bortles, where will he go?Its starting to look for sure that mack and clowney will fall, st louis and raiders are taking Watkins and Greg Robinson. You can quote me on this.Robinson is graded higher than Mack. No way you pass on Robinson. Falcons need to get big on both fronts. Robinson would steam roll a LB like Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakepb96 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I see their board asCloweyMackRobinsonMatthews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvilDead1983 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 We have invested so heavily on offense I say OT has to be our #1 priority in the draft. No offense can function with an awful O line. If for some reason Robinson and Matthews are gone by the time we pick, then we should go Mack, but other than that, I think we need to go OT, or possibly trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Robinson is graded higher than Mack. No way you pass on Robinson. Falcons need to get big on both fronts. Robinson would steam roll a LB like Mack.Robinson will be gone by our pick to st louis. We will pass on an rt thought because we signed johnson and carimi for a reason. Go back and listen to tds interviews at the combine, he intends to have competition @ RT and C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Objective Critic Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Robinson will be gone by our pick to st louis. We will pass on an rt thought because we signed johnson and carimi for a reason. Go back and listen to tds interviews at the combine, he intends to have competition @ RT and C.He may be. Mack might be gone too. The point is if either is available, Robinson is the better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Offense and defense go hand in hand.I think we can all agree we've improved the run defense in FA. I agree with you that we still need an upgrade at the tackle position.However when it comes to impact I think Mack or Clowney may have slightly more than Robinson/Matthews.So we all know that no matter what happens Baker is starting at LT next season. is this good news? No, but it's still going to happen. So Robinson/Matthews would start at RT. While I agree that either Robinson or Matthews would be a clear upgrade over anyone we have at tackle I think the impact/value you get adding Robinson/Matthews next to Asamoah is slightly less that what you might get by adding Mack/Clowney to the changes we made to the front 7.Notice I said "slightly"As much as it pains me to say this the front office isn't just giving up on Holmes and Baker just yet. Personally, I think Schrader showed more promise at RT than Holmes.If you look at the moves we've made in FA it looks like the Falcons are planning to take either a tackle or pass rusher with the #6 pick and like I've been saying I think only one of the guys is going to be available so they should take whichever one is there.The real question is what happens if more than one is there. Then it comes down to what position the front office thinks has better value in the 2nd round? Pass rusher or OT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Robinson will be gone by our pick to st louis. We will pass on an rt thought because we signed johnson and carimi for a reason. Go back and listen to tds interviews at the combine, he intends to have competition @ RT and C.Actually the Rams just re-upped their tackle that was originally singed by the Raiders so he might slip past them. However if that happens then he might not make it past the Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The thing about Mack is I feel like he will have the single biggest impact on this team of anybody outside of Clowney. He is just tailor made for our defensive scheme now, and I'm feeling a big big rookie season from him. Obviously, keeping Matt Ryan upright is a given. Passing the ball the ball successfully has been the identity of this team the last few years, and it is imperative that we do that successfully. If we get Mack, however, our defense now has an identity as well. And defense wins championships, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Mack >>>>>>>>> Matthews and Lewan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think many people are underestimating the signing of Asamoah. He was a really good RG before losing his spot due to injury. Having him to pair with Blalock on the other side allows the Falcons to not have to aquire a high level OT. Good OGs make average to decent OTs better because it allows them to just ride the edge rushers past the QB and out of the play due to the OGs making a pocket for the QB to step up into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) why wouldn't Mack be a priority? He covers a major need as a pass rusher in our new 3-4 defense and he is the best one in the draft at that. Yeah I'd draft him ahead of Clowney, others would too and its starting to show in Mocks. Theres very few flaws in his game and the only thing people pick on is he went to Buffalo. Edited March 14, 2014 by Romfal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 He may be. Mack might be gone too. The point is if either is available, Robinson is the better option.If macks gone we go with barr or matthews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Robinson will be gone by our pick to st louis. We will pass on an rt thought because we signed johnson and carimi for a reason. Go back and listen to tds interviews at the combine, he intends to have competition @ RT and C.I seriously doubt the Rams will take an OT. Throughout his entire head coaching career Fisher has never taken an O-lineman in the 1st round, Long should be ready by opening day and if not they can get by with Saffold for a bit, and Barksdale played very well at RT when given the chance. Instead I see them targeting Clowney or Watkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Mingus Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Mack >>>>>>>>> Matthews and LewanIf Robinson/Matthews is available one of them will be a Falcon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If Robinson/Matthews is available one of them will be a Falcon.Robinson? Yes. Matthews? If there is no one better available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The Raiders have signed their 2 pass rushers in FA so don't be surprised if they were to draft a OT at #5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3TD Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Is the dropoff from Mack to who you'd get in the 2nd or 3rd larger than the dropoff from Robinson/Matthews to who you'd get in the next rounds?Tough to say, but the point is that the FO should not just be looking at the pick in front of them, but in how they use the draft and FA as a whole to build the strongest possible team. We're not really in a luxury to just go for need over the best possible draft where they determine where they need to pounce and where they can wait.With OT being as deep as it's supposed to be, it's very likely that they might not see nearly as much difference there later than they do in the dropoff from Mack. In that case, probably take Mack.(Plus let's not pretend that any rookie tackle is just going to come in and not have some growing pains, all of these tackles are going to take time, so that might be another reason to go for a much shorter return on their investment in Mack.) Edited March 14, 2014 by B3TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think Mack is probably the priority, BUT I think Jags take him. They really did turn it around last half of the season. They got Clemons and Bryant at DE, so Clowney would be pointless. I think we will end up with Clowney in our lap and take him, since he has the talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The Raiders have signed their 2 pass rushers in FA so don't be surprised if they were to draft a OT at #5its either OT or QB for them, either way, I dont think Robinson makes it to 6. Mack might if he makes it past the Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Robinson is graded higher than Mack. No way you pass on Robinson. Falcons need to get big on both fronts. Robinson would steam roll a LB like Mack.when will people learn that it doesn't matter to most GMs how players are graded teams like who they like. If a team likes Mack more than robinson they most certainly will go get him just like what we did with Tru last year.At this point I could almost care less who we draft as long as that player helps the team get better and any player we take at 6 will help the team in some fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDaLuvMaker Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 its either OT or QB for them, either way, I dont think Robinson makes it to 6. Mack might if he makes it past the Jags.Yeah, but do you think the Jags re-signing Babin and signing Clemons in FA might hold off them picking a pass rusher at #3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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