smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) should be the best pick for the falcons.His the best Run Blocking Roadgrader in the draft.Matt got sack so much because they know we had to pass the ball.We had no run game.So DE just pend their ear back and pass rushed off the edge. Edited March 14, 2014 by smartfalconfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Like Lamar Holmes, Robinson will need time to develop in pass protection. He can do that a RT, but is that a better choice than a potential star in Kahlil Mack?Another factor to consider is how much Jon Asamoah will help in between C and RT, whether it be with Konz/Hawley or Holmes/Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSp3 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 should be the best pick for the falcons.His the best Run Blocking Roadgrader in the draft.Matt got sack so much because they know we had to pass the ball.We had no run game.So DE just pend their ear back and pass rushed off the edge.I love Robinson, but I really think that Holmes will get another shot at RT. This regime doesn't like to give up on players as quickly as us fans do. I think we go Mack or Clowney at 6, or trade down for Barr or a saftey if neither of those two are available. Maybe a OT in the 3rd or later rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Like Lamar Holmes, Robinson will need time to develop in pass protection. He can do that a RT, but is that a better choice than a potential star in Kahlil Mack?Another factor to consider is how much Jon Asamoah will help in between C and RT, whether it be with Konz/Hawley or Holmes/Johnson.Lamar Holmes was bad because we can't run the ball plus Greg Robinson was great in a pro style offense the year before which Matthew never played LT in a pro style offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doveboss26 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 You look at Robinson and you say he's biggest strength was our biggest weakness. Then you take the fact that Tice is a demanding coach who emphasizes technique and IMO Robinson will be everything we draft him to be. And as a rookie if we can run the ball effectively especially on the right side behind Jon and Robinson our play action will help him out tremendously as well as the screen game.I personally like Barr over Mack simply for his athleticism and the fact I believe he has so much room to grow with the physical talent he already has. But if Mack, Barr, and Robinson are all there at 6, I'm taking Robinson. I'll let Mass, Map, Kroy, and Joplo or Spoon battle it out for the OLB positions this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMoonRising Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Holmes is our safety tackle for when Baker finally gets hurt.We are still in the market for a RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Lamar Holmes was bad because we can't run the ball plus Greg Robinson was great in a pro style offense the year before which Matthew never played LT in a pro style offenseI'd be fine with Robinson, but Mack can have a greater initial impact and brings a more scarce skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanish_falcon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 He will be picked by the Rams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I don't trust Mack .he played against no bodys.His body looks the part but when I youtube him.His playing teams with fields that look like high schools.His not a pure speed rusher.I think his better than Biermann but not that much.Watch his film and watch Barr film. But for all that said I rather have Robinson and Tre mason Edited March 14, 2014 by smartfalconfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 It's more important to have elite rushers than elite OT play, but if our OT play isn't at least good, we're sunk.That makes the whole thing difficult. Optimally, we'd have a cheap, proven vet at RT, and you'd take an OT somewhere between 25 and 40. You'd hope the rook wins out year 1, but you have insurance.I don't love the value/cost of a near top 5 OT, but if we don't have it covered, we'll nearly have to take one, just to prevent the exact same problem we had last year.Maybe they can trade a late round pick for someone's swing tackle, pick up and edge rusher at 6, and an OT between 37 and 28 or so...and that would seem to be the best of both worlds (though the 2nd round OTs don't look exceptional this year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSp3 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 He will be picked by the RamsI don't know. They have Jake Long (IF healthy) at LT and now Saffold at RT. I think the Rams go with Watkins. But I don't think Robinson makes it to 6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I don't trust Mack .he played against no bodys.His body looks the part but when I youtube him.His playing teams with fields that look like high schools.His not a pure speed rusher.I think his better than Biermann but not that much.Watch his film and watch Barr film. But for all that said I rather have Robinson and Tre masonPeople could've said the same thing about Demarcus Ware when he was at Troy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 It's more important to have elite rushers than elite OT play, but if our OT play isn't at least good, we're sunk.That makes the whole thing difficult. Optimally, we'd have a cheap, proven vet at RT, and you'd take an OT somewhere between 25 and 40. You'd hope the rook wins out year 1, but you have insurance.I don't love the value/cost of a near top 5 OT, but if we don't have it covered, we'll nearly have to take one, just to prevent the exact same problem we had last year.Maybe they can trade a late round pick for someone's swing tackle, pick up and edge rusher at 6, and an OT between 37 and 28 or so...and that would seem to be the best of both worlds (though the 2nd round OTs don't look exceptional this year) that's not true.OT more important because if you can run the ball and control the clock it helps your defense stay fresh.Helps protect a hundred million dollar QB.And make him a better qb with the playaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 People could've said the same thing about Demarcus Ware when he was at Troy.Mack not a Ware type of player his not a pure pass rusher Mack more like James Harrison that's his playing style.Look at Barr film he plays like Ware just don't stop the run like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Mack not a Ware type of player his not a pure pass rusher Mack more like James Harrison that's his playing style.Look at Barr film he plays like Ware just don't stop the run like him.I'm talking about "he played against no bodys", "His body looks the part", and "His playing teams with fields that look like high schools". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'll be fine with any of these four: Clowney, Mack, Matthews, or Robinson.The need is almost equal when it comes to OT and pass rusher although it probably is a little more slanted towards pass rusher at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I dont know, Robinson i think is the rarer of the two - his run blocking is insane - could be one of the best ever, I do not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 that's not true.OT more important because if you can run the ball and control the clock it helps your defense stay fresh.Helps protect a hundred million dollar QB.And make him a better qb with the playaction.If you can't stop the opponents offense, your "hundred million dollar" QB watches from the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 that's not true.OT more important because if you can run the ball and control the clock it helps your defense stay fresh.Helps protect a hundred million dollar QB.And make him a better qb with the playaction.I wasn't saying which position was more important. I was saying which one has the bigger difference between elite and good. If we have just average to good OTs, and a strong interior OL, then our offense works very well, and we can have a top 5 perennial offense (due to good QB play and WR play). The difference from having pretty good to elite OTs doesn't move the needle much for our offense.On the flip side, on D, our whole problem has been with getting to the QB. An elite rusher to pair with Osi/Massaquoi could make a HUGE difference on our D. Maybe the difference between being an 18th ranked D and a 10th ranked D.OT is a position where you need "good enough" and it's critical that you have that. Pass rusher is a position where every incremental increase in talent makes a sizable difference.I'm not saying we're ok at OT, quite the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common Sense Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Early last season I said O-Lines don't become cohesive units until they develop camaraderie in the run game.No run blocking, no pass protecting unity. It's really that simple. When you are next to a guy at the snap and you see him get out on a block at the line, in the flats, or even 2nd level to lay some wood and open a hole for a big run, you develop confidence in that guy to do his job.So you focus on doing your job at all times rather a run or a pass play.When the guy next to you struggles in the run game, it's difficult to have the confidence in him to pass protect.So you reach to try and help him, and tend to lose focus on your own assignment while risk getting yourself and your QB exposed. Needless to say, somebody is gonna be pissed off and/or injured eventually.That's why D-line's stunt to add confusion to the mix. If our O-line men are confident in the man lining up next to him, half the battle is already won.From there it's keeping your wits about yourself when the Dee begins to run stunts.The more stout we are at the line of scrimmage, the more we will see stunts thrown at our O-line.That's where Holmes, Konz and others seemed to struggle the most.Who do they pick up when teams are stunting at or around them ? Experience will help out a lot.But confidence, in yourself and the man next to you is the most valuable asset a O-line unit can have.Cohesiveco·he·siveadjective \kō-ˈhē-siv, -ziv\: closely united: causing people to be closely united Edited March 14, 2014 by Common Sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Objective Critic Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'd be fine with Robinson, but Mack can have a greater initial impact and brings a more scarce skill set.One of the few times I disagree with you. Robinson would give protect Matt Blind side and help this team dramatically with a running game. The Falcons invest too much money in Ryan, for better or worse, and this offense evolves around him. If Ryan goes down, all the Macks and Clowneys in the world won't help it.Matt Ryan is the one player on this team that cannot afford to be hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 I'm talking about "he played against no bodys", "His body looks the part", and "His playing teams with fields that look like high schools".how many buffalo games you seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 You look at Robinson and you say he's biggest strength was our biggest weakness. Then you take the fact that Tice is a demanding coach who emphasizes technique and IMO Robinson will be everything we draft him to be. And as a rookie if we can run the ball effectively especially on the right side behind Jon and Robinson our play action will help him out tremendously as well as the screen game.I personally like Barr over Mack simply for his athleticism and the fact I believe he has so much room to grow with the physical talent he already has. But if Mack, Barr, and Robinson are all there at 6, I'm taking Robinson. I'll let Mass, Map, Kroy, and Joplo or Spoon battle it out for the OLB positions this year.I agree you can tell a person who know and watch football and people who just listen to mel Kiper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common Sense Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Robinson, is a Natural RT.A Mauler with a MeAn StReAk running thru his veins !He can be developed into a Great LT. But has Great to Phenomenal RT potential, with a Huge upside/High ceiling there.Mathews, is a natural LT.The most polished out of the box, no assembly necessary Natural LT in this draft.I know the confidence is there. (Lord knows he had to be, blocking for a Jitter Bug like Johnny Manzel). However.....My thing with him is, I'm not sure about his over all athleticism or Mean Streak.Good to Great potential on the Blind Side IMO.Lewan seems to be a hybrid of Robinson and Mathews.Kind of a plug and play type. LT, RT, RT, LT kinda of a swing guy IMO.Maybe he will settle in somewhere and be the man.But I haven't really seen enough of him to put my finger on it.If he played at Michigan he had to have a attitude of some kind.I just don't know what kind.Good to Great potential.To play it safe, we should make it a priority to get Billy Turner somewhere in this draft.He is the under the Radar Steal of all the O-Line prospects IMO. And has all the tools to be the Steal of this Draft to boot.Size Athleticism Mean Streak Versatility Couple the above with work ethic, potential and coach-ability and you have a winner.Billy Turner is a Good to Phenomenal, Upside Tackle prospect, on either side of the line. But particularly at the Left Tackle Spot !I truly want to pair him with Robinson in this Draft and I'm a Happy Camper with the O-Line for years. Edited March 14, 2014 by Common Sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common Sense Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Bumping for more input ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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