Tribal Chief Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 It's also why teams like steelers and pats invested a lot of money in interior DL..similar to what were doingyep. One day the know it alls will actually learn something. Seems as though they are the ones who lack true football knowledge lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 yep. One day the know it alls will actually learn something. Seems as though they are the ones who lack true football knowledge lolI don't mind their opinions if accompanied by supporting links. The 43 under burns me up. I have searched and searched and only find that associated with Pete Carroll and Gus Bradley. That and the bullying. If you have different opinion that's fine, but the name calling is terrible. Screws the board up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I don't mind their opinions if accompanied by supporting links. The 43 under burns me up. I have searched and searched and only find that associated with Pete Carroll and Gus Bradley. That and the bullying. If you have different opinion that's fine, but the name calling is terrible. Screws the board upi don't mind an opinion either but when you shoot down everyone else's ideas and opinions and make it seem as though your word is the final word, I have no respect for the poster. It's stupid that people actually think that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 i don't mind an opinion either but when you shoot down everyone else's ideas and opinions and make it seem as though your word is the final word, I have no respect for the poster. It's stupid that people actually think that wayI agree. I like to state it's my opinion if no limk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 This is turning out to be a very promising offseason. Maybe last year was really the wake up call this organization needed.Sure looks like it. Really going to be a better ball club; a younger, more talented club, more toughness and physicality in the trenches, more aggressive pass rush, better run defense, better pass protection. I think we're going to look like ~ and be ~ a completely different ball club this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 This is turning out to be a very promising offseason. Maybe last year was really the wake up call this organization needed.last year I was saying that maybe we had to much success too soon. There have been major problems with this team but the success blinded all the issues. Last year told the story with the injuries and the duct taped offensive line lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I believe Radical's point about Nolan not running the 3-4 was that he has never run a traditional 3-4 with a 0-tech NT and 2 4-tech DEs. We still do not have the pieces to run that, but we could if Peters played that 4-tech. I cannot comment on that part, since I have not followed Nolan that closely.While Gus Bus and Pete Carroll have made the 4-3 under famous, other teams are running very similar schemes. Everyone says the ravens are a 3-4 defense, BUT lets actually look at their stance. Edit: Added a photo with the SLB with his hand in the dirt. As you can see 4 guys with their hand in the dirt or with the Rusher upright, it is the same defense. We have a 1-tech DT, 5-tech DE, 3-tech DT, LEO on the weak side, and an SLB on the strong side. Lets compare that to Seattle. As you can see both are very similar. At the end of the day, we run a hybrid system. It is what we have run since day 1 of Nolan being here. If you want to call it a base 3-4 or a base 4-3, then go ahead, but really it is a mix of both. In that hybrid system, the 3-4 elements( NT/5-tech DE) were not up to par, so we went out in free agency and got those pieces to build a stronger base. Also thanks for mentioning me in this thread, it makes me feel special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Nolan doesn't run a classic 3-4, which is the point I think those guys were making. He runs multiple looks or a hybrid (sometimes defined as the same thing, but I think most folks who know a lot about Nolan's offense would say it's a hybrid more than simply multiple).That doesn't mean we don't line up in a 3-4 alignment. In fact, Nolan has lined us up in 3-4 base alignments for a long time now, we simply didn't have the players to make it work. It does mean that when you see 3 down linemen and 4 LB, that does not mean the play we run will end up being a 3-4 type play. Sometimes both LBers rush. Sometimes one of them backs into coverage before the snap and the other puts his hand in the dirt. Sometimes both LBers drop into coverage and we blitz inside or from the edge. Similarly, when we have 4 down linemen on the field, there is a good chance one of them will stand up and either rush or drop. We run probably the majority of our sets from nickel looks, but that doesn't mean we're dropping everyone in coverage.I think the truth is somewhere between "we're running a 3-4" and "Nolan has never run a 3-4." Nolan likes the personnel you get from a 3-4 base because it allows him to do more of what he likes to do. But he will never simply line up 3 down linemen and run a straight 3-4 scheme. He will switch to 4-3 looks, he'll have a lot of Bear looks, big nickel, etc. He'll just use the 3-4 as a base alignment and shift in and out of it depending on who we play, what he thinks they're running, and what tendencies he sees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Again link Nolan to a preferred 43 under? I've never said he ran a double bubble--few do today with speed of game. Does he run a hybrid.. Sure but his personnel are mostly 34 guys and his name is most famously linked to 34 with some exotic fronts mixed in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I believe Radical's point about Nolan not running the 3-4 was that he has never run a traditional 3-4 with a 0-tech NT and 2 4-tech DEs. We still do not have the pieces to run that, but we could if Peters played that 4-tech. I cannot comment on that part, since I have not followed Nolan that closely.While Gus Bus and Pete Carroll have made the 4-3 under famous, other teams are running very similar schemes. Everyone says the ravens are a 3-4 defense, BUT lets actually look at their stance. Edit: Added a photo with the SLB with his hand in the dirt. As you can see 4 guys with their hand in the dirt or with the Rusher upright, it is the same defense. We have a 1-tech DT, 5-tech DE, 3-tech DT, LEO on the weak side, and an SLB on the strong side. Lets compare that to Seattle. As you can see both are very similar. At the end of the day, we run a hybrid system. It is what we have run since day 1 of Nolan being here. If you want to call it a base 3-4 or a base 4-3, then go ahead, but really it is a mix of both. In that hybrid system, the 3-4 elements( NT/5-tech DE) were not up to par, so we went out in free agency and got those pieces to build a stronger base. Also thanks for mentioning me in this thread, it makes me feel special.So you show the ravens of what year again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 So you show the ravens of what year again?Should be their Super Bowl year. I found it reading about the hybrid. It is dated june last year. http://russellstreetreport.com/breaking-down-the-ravens-hybrid-defense/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Diagrams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhow34 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Sure looks like it. Really going to be a better ball club; a younger, more talented club, more toughness and physicality in the trenches, more aggressive pass rush, better run defense, better pass protection. I think we're going to look like ~ and be ~ a completely different ball club this year.Man i sure hope so. We weren't a very good ball club last year. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokezone Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Last year was rough. We couldn't win or even lose properly lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Should be their Super Bowl year. I found it reading about the hybrid. It is dated june last year. http://russellstreetreport.com/breaking-down-the-ravens-hybrid-defense/That was a Marvin Lewis led 43, my friendhttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawse Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 *sigh* We still will not be running only a traditional 3-4 look consistently, we'll have multiple looks. 3-4, hybrid looks, you name it. There personnel we've gotten has just made us more versatile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 That was a Marvin Lewis led 43, my friendhttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htmYour dedication is impressive, BUT you are wrong. Clearly the photos show the Ravens are away against the chargers and at home at the bengals. In 2000, they were at home against the chargers.My example matches up with 2011. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2011.htm... So mystery solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 *sigh* We still will not be running only a traditional 3-4 look consistently, we'll have multiple looks. 3-4, hybrid looks, you name it. There personnel we've gotten has just made us more versatile.Yet again no links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Your dedication is impressive, BUT you are wrong. Clearly the photos show the Ravens are away against the chargers and at home at the bengals. In 2000, they were at home against the chargers.My example matches up with 2011. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2011.htm... So mystery solved.I'm wrong Marvin Lewis was DC during Ravens SB and they ran a 43? How bout this linkOK, so it isn't exactly the football equivalent of "That '70s Show," we agree.But with most of the dust having settled now in the NFL's annual offseason coaching carousel, it appears at least seven franchises in 2005 will employ the 3-4 defense as their principal "base" front. Three more clubs figure to incorporate the 3-4 scheme part-time into their overall defensive philosophies and one of those could still switch full-time to the three-man front.That represents the most potential 3-4 franchises since the defense was all the rage in the '70s, when approximately three-quarters of the clubs swore by it, and it is an increase of three teams from the 2004 campaign. The net gain of plus-three for the defense can be attributed, in part, to the elevation of defensive coordinators Romeo Crennel and Mike Nolan, at Cleveland and San Francisco, respectively, to head coaching positions. Two other teams, Denver and Dallas, have also decided to add the 3-4 to their repertoire. The Broncos may yet decide to change to the 3-4 as their "base" defense.In fact, the only 3-4 team from last season that will switch to the more standard 4-3 front in 2005 is Baltimore, where Rex Ryan has supplanted Nolan as the coordinator. So why the sudden re-emergence of a scheme that, a few years ago, seemed permanently consigned to the NFL trash bin?"It's a great equalizer," said Nolan, who installed the 3-4 in Baltimore in 2003, after he supplanted Marvin Lewis as the coordinator there. "There still aren't that many teams using it, so it presents a challenge for offenses that have to prepare for it. And it's very flexible and allows you to do a lot of things."Nolan last week hired Billy Davis, who in 13 league seasons has never before been a coordinator, to run his defense. Davis got the job, in part, because his principal area of expertise has been linebackers, the key to any 3-4 front. And he has extensive experience in the scheme, having worked on staffs with notable 3-4 proponents like Bill Cowher, Dom Capers and Wade Phillips.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1989339 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Your dedication is impressive, BUT you are wrong. Clearly the photos show the Ravens are away against the chargers and at home at the bengals. In 2000, they were at home against the chargers.My example matches up with 2011. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2011.htm... So mystery solved.Lol 2011 ? Nolan was gone what 6 or 7 years from ravens by then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Clearly everyone can see I am disputing your claim that the photos were from 2000, when they ran the 4-3. You can clearly see number 20, which we can safely assume is ed reed, who did not enter the league until 2002.You are as stubborn as an Ox.edit: What does Nolan being gone have to dow with anything? Are you looking for evidence of nolan running the hybrid defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Jesus some of you folks are painful...I've LITERALLY already covered the exact same thing in the original interview that was done...First of all Ross, there's no question that they are scheme versatile. As you know that is, that is so important important along the offensive and defensive lines. Defensively right now, the way the league is, there's so much creativity. With a guy like Mike Nolan as a defensive coordinator he's very creative with how he works things. Unfortunately, maybe we didn't have we didn't have all the personnel we needed to truly fit into the 3-4 schemes and use that as really strong base defense. We all know you go to the sub 65% of the time basically in this league now. Again, you need versatile, and you need to be adept as being versatile. They both are really stout as 3-4 types, one as a defensive end. Then you have Soliai who can shade nose, he can do whatever we really need to do inside with him, the versatility there is really important. So back to your question, we'll be playing 3-4 and 4-3, and we're going to have a strong base 3-4 with these two guys added to our team.If you want to try to get technical with me and say that our "base defense" will be 3-4, then you're wrong. By the very definition of base defense, our base is a nickel package, usually 3-3 or 4-2.The fact is that Nolan has NEVER ran a pure 3-4 defensive scheme, we haven't ran one the past two years, but we have at numerous points ran plays with 3 DTs or just 3 down linemen.The only thing changing is players, because Nolan's scheme doesn't function with nothing but sub-300 pound DTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) That was a Marvin Lewis led 43, my friendhttp://www.pro-footb...ms/rav/2000.htmYou realize the Ravens won a Superbowl last year... right?You realize they've been running a hybrid scheme since Nolan was their DC, right? Edited March 14, 2014 by Free Radical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 You realize the Ravens won a Superbowl last year... right?You realize they've been running a hybrid scheme since Nolan was their DC, right?Whatever. Still a 34 base with loads of 34 personnel who can run in multiple fronts if situation presents itself. Definitely not a double bubble, I'll give you that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 the know it all known as radical said Nolan has NEVER ran a 3-4. LmmfaoYes, Nolan has never ran a two gap defense with a 0 and two 5s as his base.If you guys want to discuss football with me, my advice is to quit using Madden as your teaching tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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