DurtyBurdz155 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Mack All Day long. If He isn't there along with Matthews, Clowney, and Robinson, we need to trade down and get a DT or DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Lee Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) I will start taking you seriously when you cite game tape and not the combine. The combine is nothing more than a confirmation tool for the athleticism you see on tape, not a measure of how good the player is or will be.Maybin: 2007 - 4.5 tackles for loss, 4.0 sacks2008 - 20.0, 12.0Barr:2012 - 21.5 tackles for loss, 13.5 sacks2013 - 20.0, 10.0Again, 2 different athletes. Edited March 13, 2014 by Money Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Mack @ #6, Barr @ 8-12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimitiveJN Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Clowney. I don't want Mack. Because the same ppl that wanted Ray Edwards want Mack, I can't trust their judgement on a pass rusherLol wow. You ever think for yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS91 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Mack, easily. He needs refinement. Barr needs development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Technique can be taught especially with Bryan Cox on staff I would be happy with either both excelled in college in the one area we need the most help in pass rush. If you believe that Cox is gonna be able to coach the other youngins up you gotta believe he can coach Barr up as well who is a better athlete than anybody else we could put at the position on the roster. But I get it everybody had their favorites and there's just no convincing people otherwise. I remember how badly I was ridiculed for wanting to draft JPP. He faced alot of the same criticism Barr does .....I'm just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Mingus Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Mack is on a different planet when compared to Barr lol.Not really. Barr is the better pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Mingus Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I will start taking you seriously when you cite game tape and not the combine. The combine is nothing more than a confirmation tool for the athleticism you see on tape, not a measure of how good the player is or will be.The combine is only relevant if it fits your agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Kenn Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I will start taking you seriously when you cite game tape and not the combine. The combine is nothing more than a confirmation tool for the athleticism you see on tape, not a measure of how good the player is or will be.watch the film, you will see Barr making impact plays. Mack does too, but not as many. they both struggle against the run at times, but thats why we just got Soliai and Jackson to go with Babs. we have run stoppers, now we need the speed. that is barr. Edited March 14, 2014 by Mike Kenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Mingus Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 watch the film, you will see Barr making impact plays. Mack does too, but not as many. they both struggle against the run at times, but thats why we just got Soliai and Jackson to go with Babs. we have run stoppers, now we need the speed. that is barr. Yup. It basically comes down to.....Do you want Ahmad Brooks or a potential Demarcus Ware; Joey Porter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Lee Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Yup. It basically comes down to.....Do you want Ahmad Brooks or a potential Demarcus Ware; Joey Porter?I think Mack might be better than Brooks, but agree that Barr will be a far superior player than Mack. Edited March 14, 2014 by Money Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tootie Quivers Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Barr: 6.82 3 coneMaybin: 7.58 3 coneCompletely different players. Barr has much greater explosiveness and flexibility, Maybin was a stiff, straight line athlete. Try again...Yeah the combine proves how good you will be as a pro. Just watch the Stanford game. AB made one good play, a play which he was unblocked I would add. The TE kicked him out with ease on most occasions. AB cannot get off a block from the Stanford TE, what's he going to do when an NFL OT puts his hand on him?He can't bull rush. I haven't see much of an inside move. His speed might win on occasion, but the average NFL OT can adjust to that.At best he is a situational pass rusher as a rookie. Could he develop to something more, absolutely. I don't want to take a guy in the 1st round that has that many holes. He disappears for long stretches.Attaochu from GT and Ford will be better players and Attaochu can be had in the 2nd, that's not an opinion everyone shares, I know. Both have unbelievable motors.Look Barr does some things very well. He's a hitter, but he also tackles very well. He pursues well from the backside. His length will help him bat down balls. He has a lot of good qualities. He just doesn't warrant a top 10 pick. I wouldn't fault a team for taking him in the middle to late half of round 1. I likened him to Maybin because both have real problems getting off blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Lee Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah the combine proves how good you will be as a pro. Just watch the Stanford game. AB made one good play, a play which he was unblocked I would add. The TE kicked him out with ease on most occasions. AB cannot get off a block from the Stanford TE, what's he going to do when an NFL OT puts his hand on him?He can't bull rush. I haven't see much of an inside move. His speed might win on occasion, but the average NFL OT can adjust to that.At best he is a situational pass rusher as a rookie. Could he develop to something more, absolutely. I don't want to take a guy in the 1st round that has that many holes. He disappears for long stretches.Attaochu from GT and Ford will be better players and Attaochu can be had in the 2nd, that's not an opinion everyone shares, I know. Both have unbelievable motors.Look Barr does some things very well. He's a hitter, but he also tackles very well. He pursues well from the backside. His length will help him bat down balls. He has a lot of good qualities. He just doesn't warrant a top 10 pick. I wouldn't fault a team for taking him in the middle to late half of round 1. I likened him to Maybin because both have real problems getting off blocks.No shame in struggling with Stanford's o-line, they pump out NFL lineman year after year. They've replace Wisconsin & Iowa as Lineman-U. I'm not saying Barr is perfect, and I've said a number of times Mack is more ready. Barr, if developed, which is the responsibility of the organization, will be the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tootie Quivers Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Maybe. That's the nature of the draft though. Almost every player has holes or some imaginary ceiling. The key is finding out which player's holes you are willing to live with or think you can correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Kenn Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yup. It basically comes down to.....Do you want Ahmad Brooks or a potential Demarcus Ware; Joey Porter?Everyone gets so offended if someone says Mack has weaknesses. But its just that I think Barr is more of a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Well I didn't read this thread because I know it's a Barr hatin thread.I already told yall boys Dimi has my utmost approval to draft the Barr man.Trade down on these clueless mofos, get a pick or two and get Barr. Butta move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Mack. Easily. Barr is only good in drive, not reverse.You ever watch highlights and think to yourself, "really?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Barr faster off the edge a pure pass rusherMack stronger hold the point of a attack better stopping the run and dominateBarr =Demarcus WareMack= James Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam25 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Clowney. I don't want Mack. Because the same ppl that wanted Ray Edwards want Mack, I can't trust their judgement on a pass rusherHilarious post, why don't you go look at the tape on Mack and you can see for yourself how much better and more polished of a player Mack is. Mack over Barr easily ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Kenn Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Hilarious post, why don't you go look at the tape on Mack and you can see for yourself how much better and more polished of a player Mack is. Mack over Barr easily !people keep saying that but im not so sure. mack is supposed to be solid and powerful, but for someone with that reputation he needs work shedding big blockers and doesnt tackle as well as he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niels petersen Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Mack. Barr is no LEO..In fact, Barr isn't really anything in my opinion.. I'll be livid if we picked him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartfalconfan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Hilarious post, why don't you go look at the tape on Mack and you can see for yourself how much better and more polished of a player Mack is. Mack over Barr easily !Mack look good on tape but So do Barr and Barr a better pass rusher.And he played better competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Like Anthony Barr or not - he's in the mix and visiting the ATL.....so you better find some things you like about him. I'm fairly certain if both are available and Falcons want a passrusher - i'm sure they will rank Mack over Barr - but if Mack goes in top 5 - don't be surprised if Falcons grab Barr.let that wash over you.....it is a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Maybin:2007 - 4.5 tackles for loss, 4.0 sacks2008 - 20.0, 12.0Barr:2012 - 21.5 tackles for loss, 13.5 sacks2013 - 20.0, 10.0Again, 2 different athletes.I didn't compare Barr to Maybin.Not really. Barr is the better pass rusher.Nope. As I have said repeatedly, he has no bend around the corner, no pass rush moves, attempts to run around OTs or runs upright at them. As an edge rusher in the NFL that spells disaster, a la Dion Jordon. He is, however, a fantastic athlete who would is good on interior blitzes which would make him best off as a 4-3 OLB. Considering we don't run that formation now what is the point of bringing him in?The combine is only relevant if it fits your agenda.Like this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Like Anthony Barr or not - he's in the mix and visiting the ATL.....so you better find some things you like about him. I'm fairly certain if both are available and Falcons want a passrusher - i'm sure they will rank Mack over Barr - but if Mack goes in top 5 - don't be surprised if Falcons grab Barr.let that wash over you.....it is a possibility.And they'd be getting a bust. I have total confidence in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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