thanat0s Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I remember last year when the Falcons could've brought Abe back for a cheap price and had someone to pair with him on the other side finally. Instead, they let Abe walk ( because of age, presumably) and he goes on to be his usual self in Arizona while we have zero pass rush all year. All because of the ignorant position of most GMs in the league that older guys can't get it done.Flash forward to this free agent period, and there sit Julius Peppers and Jared Allen on the market.Either of these guys would come at a reasonable price and would make excellent situational/rotationalpass rushers who can still make an impact. Yet, I look at our team and they seem to have zero interestin these guys.And no, it's not money.It annoys the crap outta me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Oh great, just what we needed, another Abe thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Oh, and great job OP trying to disguise your whining about Abe thread, as if it was something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrain7 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Peppers is slowing down he had an off year and is getting old, Allen would be good but he wants alot of money and he's getting old himself. Falcons want to find something to put in place that will fill the next few years not the next year.Also we are switching to the 3-4, those are 4-3 ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVAFalconFan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) I remember last year when the Falcons could've brought Abe back for a cheap price and had someone to pair with him on the other side finally. Instead, they let Abe walk ( because of age, presumably) and he goes on to be his usual self in Arizona while we have zero pass rush all year. All because of the ignorant position of most GMs in the league that older guys can't get it done.Flash forward to this free agent period, and there sit Julius Peppers and Jared Allen on the market.Either of these guys would come at a reasonable price and would make excellent situational/rotationalpass rushers who can still make an impact. Yet, I look at our team and they seem to have zero interestin these guys.And no, it's not money.It annoys the crap outta me...Jared Allen wants Ware-type money or he will retire, as I understand it. Maybe he will change his mind as time goes by. I don't know how much Peppers wants, but my guess is that, today, it is quite a bit. Maybe GMs at the moment aren't asking "Can this old guy still play?" Maybe they are actually asking, "Will this old guy play for less two weeks from now?"ETA GMs in general, not just ours. Edited March 13, 2014 by NOVAFalconFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Maybe were looking for 3-4 edge rushers and the multiple talk is a smokescreen to ensure nobody trades up a snatches mack from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I remember last year when the Falcons could've brought Abe back for a cheap price and had ......It annoys the crap outta me...First of all, are we just going to release the DEs we drafted last year?Do they get all the playing time while we start two aging DEs?Does Allen and peppers even fit schematically into a hybrid defense.Do they even WANT to play in a hybrid defense?Do we want to tie up about 9-10 milllion on an aging DE who would want at least a 3 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 I suspect, as usual, people have overestimated money demands of these players. The fact is, nobody knows what they want but the men themselves. As for it being an "Abe" thread, I was one of the people who didn't want to pay him elite money, which people erroneously reported he'd want. As it turned out, he came cheap. That is what it is. So, please, don't use your childish, emoticon laden nonsense belittling something when you don't even comprehend the point that I was making...I only mention Abraham as his situation relates to the broader context of the thread's intent. NFL teams have a known prejudice against older players, and GM arrogance usually makes them believe that their drafting abilities can offset the loss of any vet, no matter what he's done in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I suspect, as usual, people have overestimated money demands of these players. The fact is, nobody knows what they want but the men themselves.The broncos offered Allen the same contract they offered Ware. Allen declined and they got Ware.http://nflspinzone.com/2014/03/12/jared-allen-signed-denver-broncos/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnerdburner33 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Ryan O'Halloran @ryanohalloran 7mClemons said Oakland and Atlanta reached out yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigerfan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I remember last year when the Falcons could've brought Abe back for a cheap price and had someone to pair with him on the other side finally. Instead, they let Abe walk ( because of age, presumably) and he goes on to be his usual self in Arizona while we have zero pass rush all year. All because of the ignorant position of most GMs in the league that older guys can't get it done.Flash forward to this free agent period, and there sit Julius Peppers and Jared Allen on the market.Either of these guys would come at a reasonable price and would make excellent situational/rotationalpass rushers who can still make an impact. Yet, I look at our team and they seem to have zero interestin these guys.And no, it's not money.It annoys the crap outta me...What is the hurry to rush in and overpay either of these guys? There is a reason they are still on the market and once they get realistic about where the market is will sign a sensible contract. We may still get another pass-rusher, it is only day 3 of FA after all and there are a lot of good players left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I remember last year when the Falcons could've brought Abe back for a cheap price and had someone to pair with him on the other side finally. Instead, they let Abe walk ( because of age, presumably) and he goes on to be his usual self in Arizona while we have zero pass rush all year. All because of the ignorant position of most GMs in the league that older guys can't get it done.Flash forward to this free agent period, and there sit Julius Peppers and Jared Allen on the market.Either of these guys would come at a reasonable price and would make excellent situational/rotationalpass rushers who can still make an impact. Yet, I look at our team and they seem to have zero interestin these guys.And no, it's not money.It annoys the crap outta me...You have no reason to believe that either of these guys will come at a reasonable price. When we picked up Osi, we paid a little more than we wanted to, and it was a sticking point to getting the deal done. You have to believe that Allen and Peppers are still looking to get paid well for their services. Getting cut does not always mean you have no high value left, and I'll guarantee you that both of these guys still think they are worth big annual dollars.A GM has a cap to manage, and needs to look further down the road to be able to deal with older and younger players contracts. I'm sure the F.O. thought real hard about bringing Abe back, but money and the chance of injury were factors in just letting him move on. I'm sure being a GM is not as easy as you'd like to think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanat0s Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Unreal,Your first question is the pivotal one, imo. NFL GMs would rather be fired than admit that their draft choices are busts, or at best, aren't top flightplayers. That's the root of the problem with players being shunned too early in the NFL.As for you guys who question the 3/4 4/3 issues, there are PLENTY of opportunities to put a Peppers in our rotation, regardless of base scheme, where he can and would make a real impact on how an offense reacts. That is a specious argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I suspect, as usual, people have overestimated money demands of these players. The fact is, nobody knows what they want but the men themselves. As for it being an "Abe" thread, I was one of the people who didn't want to pay him elite money, which people erroneously reported he'd want. As it turned out, he came cheap. That is what it is. So, please, don't use your childish, emoticon laden nonsense belittling something when you don't even comprehend the point that I was making...I only mention Abraham as his situation relates to the broader context of the thread's intent. NFL teams have a known prejudice against older players, and GM arrogance usually makes them believe that their drafting abilities can offset the loss of any vet, no matter what he's done in his career.Abe wasn't a free agent with us last year and didn't want to take a pay cut so it wasnt about re-signing him to a decent contract.He went cheaper to Arizona because that's what his market was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Truthfully, it is money. It may be age is a mitigating reason for them being cut. But in the end, why pay long term to an older player, when you can get cheaper players.through the draft and then add a sprinkling of big salaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jared Allen will probably make 9 mil a season. I don't know if that is reasonable or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Abe wasn't a free agent with us last year and didn't want to take a pay cut so it wasnt about re-signing him to a decent contract.He went cheaper to Arizona because that's what his market was.This we didn't let Abe walk we cut him because he wouldn't take a pay cut. Also let's not forget Abe played with a much better front 7 in Arizona than he ever had here but I still wouldn't say he was a beast last year. His first sack didn't come until week 7 and 8.5 of his 11 sacks came against non playoff teams with another 2 coming again a Seattle line that was highly criticized for its pass protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockSpyder Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Abe wasn't a free agent with us last year and didn't want to take a pay cut so it wasnt about re-signing him to a decent contract.He went cheaper to Arizona because that's what his market was.I hate it when people say that we could have brought Abe back cheaper, thanks for remembering it how it really went down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouDog. Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Allen would be a good signing for cheap. Peppers is bad. And 31 other teams are passing on him to so far. Maybe considering Allen already said he wants over 10 mil a season, we arent ran by idiots that will give it to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jared Allen will probably make 9 mil a season. I don't know if that is reasonable or not.For his production, it probably is. But are teams ready to drop that much on a 31 year old player? I'm inclined to think not. Denver.wanted to and he said no. Makes you wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Allen would be a good signing for cheap. Peppers is bad. And 31 other teams are passing on him to so far. Maybe considering Allen already said he wants over 10 mil a season, we arent ran by idiots that will give it to himYeah Allen won't sign for cheap. I think he retires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Neither Peppers or Allen will be remotely worth the money they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jared Allen will probably make 9 mil a season. I don't know if that is reasonable or not.since Michael Johnson is making almost $9mm/season and Everson Griffen is making almost $8mm/season - I would say Jared Allen making $9mm/season is reasonable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Allen would be a good signing for cheap. Peppers is bad. And 31 other teams are passing on him to so far. Maybe considering Allen already said he wants over 10 mil a season, we arent ran by idiots that will give it to himThis is it right here. Julius will sign a contract. But it won't be.that monster money he is used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouDog. Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jared Allen will probably make 9 mil a season. I don't know if that is reasonable or not.He already turned down 10 and said if he doesnt get as much as he wants (which is apparently more than 10) he will retire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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